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Old 20-12-2016, 15:23
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Yeah Trinity didn't really do a whole lot looking back, they kind of dragged it out. I don't have a problem with the story arc itself but the pacing was poor.

Why did they bring Odi back as well? And why didn't they just take the chip out of Mia?

Her psycho reaction to her boyfriend was never really explained either? She'd already convinced him to let her go, then just attacked him!
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:42
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Her psycho reaction to her boyfriend was never really explained either? She'd already convinced him to let her go, then just attacked him!
There was a point earlier in the series, where Mia told Leo she was attracted to the Mark Palladio character, where Mia said 'we are children'. This probably explains the psycho reaction to being rejected.
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:45
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Yeah Trinity didn't really do a whole lot looking back, they kind of dragged it out. I don't have a problem with the story arc itself but the pacing was poor.

Why did they bring Odi back as well? And why didn't they just take the chip out of Mia?

Her psycho reaction to her boyfriend was never really explained either? She'd already convinced him to let her go, then just attacked him!
Surely Odi was brought back so that they could show how not all synths want to be conscious. It was quite a sad storyline for him, not able to find a place in the world he rejected being conscious and returned to his original state, almost like suicide i guess. I thought it was a very good story arc.

I assume the chip is too deep in the "brain" for them to easily remove the chip, otherwise i am sure they would have done.
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Old 21-12-2016, 11:13
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Surely Odi was brought back so that they could show how not all synths want to be conscious.
Amongst other things (also a workbench for Mattie's code), but yes I thought that was a very important part of the whole picture, with people wanting to be synths and synths wanting to be people, and not everyone being happy with where they ended up, this I thought was a good counterbalance for Renie 'returning'.

I assume the chip is too deep in the "brain" for them to easily remove the chip, otherwise i am sure they would have done.
That was how I figured it as well - it's easy to stick a pea in the middle of a mass of spaghetti, but extracting it again is another thing entirely!

As for Athena, that was a critical part of the moral/ethical aspect too - the refusal to kill a conscious synth by reprogramming it with 'V', the point that technically 'V' was owned by the company, and being let loose on the interwebs, which one might argue may present a greater danger as she becomes a true master of hacking, trolling etc...
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Old 21-12-2016, 12:07
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Surely Odi was brought back so that they could show how not all synths want to be conscious. It was quite a sad storyline for him, not able to find a place in the world he rejected being conscious and returned to his original state, almost like suicide i guess. I thought it was a very good story arc.

I assume the chip is too deep in the "brain" for them to easily remove the chip, otherwise i am sure they would have done.
Odi was important to the story, and his relationship with Mattie was by far the best thing about this series.
Will Tudor played Odi so well too, great actor.
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Old 21-12-2016, 14:00
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Surely Odi was brought back so that they could show how not all synths want to be conscious. It was quite a sad storyline for him, not able to find a place in the world he rejected being conscious and returned to his original state, almost like suicide i guess. I thought it was a very good story arc.
Presumably he'll have received the code again when Mattie sent it out to every synth (or had she turned him off for good after he rejected consciousness?) so may end up committing suicide a second time.
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Old 21-12-2016, 14:08
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... so may end up committing suicide a second time.
On the other hand that makes him unique - I'm not aware of anyone ever being in a position to do that more than once.
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Old 21-12-2016, 14:32
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Odi was important to the story, and his relationship with Mattie was by far the best thing about this series.
Will Tudor played Odi so well too, great actor.
But why Odi specifically, is what I meant. They could've gone for any synth really.
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Old 21-12-2016, 14:57
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But why Odi specifically, is what I meant. They could've gone for any synth really.
He was a bit of a fan favourite in the first series.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:08
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i want to see this come back for a 3rd series. its the best SCFI yet
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Old 21-12-2016, 21:54
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i want to see this come back for a 3rd series. its the best SCFI yet
It is good and has some interesting ideas (mostly lifted from other sci fi books and films).
I wouldn't put it in the same class as Westworld, Firefly, Bladerunner, Inception, Alien, Battlestar Galactica (apart from the abysmal final episode), Babylon 5, The Matrix...... to be honest I could go on all day. Saying that I'd watch a 3rd series, can't ever have enough Sc Fi to take us away from this shitty current world!
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:50
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Consolidated ratings so far.

Episode 1: 3.9m (+143k All4)
Episode 2: 3m (+114k All4)
Episode 3: 2.4m (+104k All4)
Episode 4: 2.3m (+92k All4)

For comparison, last year's:

Episode 1: 6.8m
Episode 2: 6.01m
Episode 3: 5.2m
Episode 4: 5.5m
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Old 22-12-2016, 02:20
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Consolidated ratings so far.

Episode 1: 3.9m (+143k All4)
Episode 2: 3m (+114k All4)
Episode 3: 2.4m (+104k All4)
Episode 4: 2.3m (+92k All4)

For comparison, last year's:

Episode 1: 6.8m
Episode 2: 6.01m
Episode 3: 5.2m
Episode 4: 5.5m
Hmm interesting, long gap between series and wrong time of year to show it. Still 2-3m is a good rating for channel 4 (even consolidated), might come down to cost effectiveness.

I suspect no series three.
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:36
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I thought it started slow but I really enjoyed the last few episodes. Bit meh with the whole Niska wants to be tried as a human then just gives up and escapes plot. Would have been much more interesting to play that out and have them see she was undeniably 'conscious'.

The end clearly left it open for a third series. Trouble is by the time it airs I'll be passed caring and will have forgotten about what happened with series two. Much as I did with series one.
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Old 22-12-2016, 14:43
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Oh, I don't know. There's a lot of potential ways it could be developed.

There's the Alien Nation situation of integrating what are essentially a new underclass, the Terminator route of a war between mankind and their creations, the Transcendence option of an unstoppable AI that can only be taken out by a global technology shutdown and all that entails. It could ultimately be a fight for which side controls the software and distribution system.
I'm guessing they'll stick with synths as a metaphor for black slaves.

As for Athena, that was a critical part of the moral/ethical aspect too - the refusal to kill a conscious synth by reprogramming it with 'V', [lacuna]
I did pick up on that, but still thought it was underplayed. And really, she should have known from the start. The whole point of the synths she was experimenting on was that they were conscious, and she knew that because that's why she wanted those particular ones. To me she was pretty clearly evil for continuing to experiment. Then seeing Hester go nuts makes her change her mind?

I enjoyed the show in that I liked spending time in that world, but the finale was weak in my view.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:21
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It is good and has some interesting ideas (mostly lifted from other sci fi books and films).
I wouldn't put it in the same class as Westworld, Firefly, Bladerunner, Inception, Alien, Battlestar Galactica (apart from the abysmal final episode), Babylon 5, The Matrix...... to be honest I could go on all day. Saying that I'd watch a 3rd series, can't ever have enough Sc Fi to take us away from this shitty current world!
i will contact channel 4 on this to find out. but watching this series i did wounder at 1st about the computerised child the scientised wanted to turn in to a human? did ask my self my is it she was trying to play god with her dead daughters mind? the person would not be the same. i am somewhat glad it did not get achived,the reincarnated life ,would not have a life like it used to.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:41
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... To me she was pretty clearly evil for continuing to experiment.
I'm wondering if she rationalised it by either switching off the pain responses, or not realising that they were actually pain responses rather than 'move hand out of flame'. Maybe she thought they weren't genuinely conscious because it was by accident, and not designed the way 'V' had been. Then again, you wouldn't do that to a living creature...

Then seeing Hester go nuts makes her change her mind?
I think she was already getting there and this was the final realisation - along with meeting Karen - that made her stop. And scared too, because we all know full well when a robot wants you dead, it can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear though the 'absolutely will not stop' bit was thwarted by a glass door
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:43
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I'm guessing they'll stick with synths as a metaphor for black slaves.

I did pick up on that, but still thought it was underplayed. And really, she should have known from the start. The whole point of the synths she was experimenting on was that they were conscious, and she knew that because that's why she wanted those particular ones. To me she was pretty clearly evil for continuing to experiment. Then seeing Hester go nuts makes her change her mind?

I enjoyed the show in that I liked spending time in that world, but the finale was weak in my view.
I don't think she really believed they were conscious as they were so new and had no life experience so to speak, but when actually speaking to Karen who is one of the original conscious synths she realised she was mistaken in what they are and who they are capable of coming and how they feel about things.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:25
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I'm guessing they'll stick with synths as a metaphor for black slaves.

I did pick up on that, but still thought it was underplayed. And really, she should have known from the start. The whole point of the synths she was experimenting on was that they were conscious, and she knew that because that's why she wanted those particular ones. To me she was pretty clearly evil for continuing to experiment. Then seeing Hester go nuts makes her change her mind?

I enjoyed the show in that I liked spending time in that world, but the finale was weak in my view.
I think she was blinded by her own grief. She didn't even really acknowledge her daughter's death, because she was obsessed with her plan to bring her back. She never considered the impact on anyone else. She didn't care about her husband, let alone some synthetic. It was only when she saw them in grief and demonstrating the same devastating pain of loss that she was able to see them as truly alive.
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Old 23-12-2016, 15:46
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I think she was already getting there and this was the final realisation - along with meeting Karen - that made her stop. And scared too, because we all know full well when a robot wants you dead, it can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear though the 'absolutely will not stop' bit was thwarted by a glass door
Anyone care to have pick at this post, I must have misunderstood the program completely if the above is the case.
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Old 23-12-2016, 16:14
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Anyone care to have pick at this post, I must have misunderstood the program completely if the above is the case.
Maybe my choice of wording at fault? Meeting Karen and finding how 'real' she was, coupled with seeing Hester being a total psycho, got her to really understand that the conscious synths were 'proper' people.

There's a number of different perspectives and interpretations available at the moment, to be resolved in the next series when Call-Me-Hester grinds the last of the fleshies underfoot.
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:26
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Great series but I lament the fact Carrie-Anne Moss was so under-utilised. She just seemed to mope around quite a lot talking to her sentient laptop. She could have at least worn a PVC coat and sunglasses whilst doing so...!
Not quite sure what your post is saying .. the actress looked familiar but I couldn't place her. At least her character wasn't killed, so no doubt you'll see her again in series three.
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Old 24-12-2016, 18:51
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Not quite sure what your post is saying .. the actress looked familiar but I couldn't place her. At least her character wasn't killed, so no doubt you'll see her again in series three.
She was Trinity in the Matrix
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Old 28-12-2016, 21:50
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Consolidated ratings up to episode 5.

Episode 1: 3.9m (+143k All4)
Episode 2: 3m (+114k All4)
Episode 3: 2.4m (+104k All4)
Episode 4: 2.3m (+92k All4)
Episode 5: 2.3m (+59k All4)
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:48
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Consolidated ratings up to episode 5.

Episode 1: 3.9m (+143k All4)
Episode 2: 3m (+114k All4)
Episode 3: 2.4m (+104k All4)
Episode 4: 2.3m (+92k All4)
Episode 5: 2.3m (+59k All4)
Very helpful stats again, thanks. I think the consolidated ratings highlight just what an utter mistake keeping several series like that Spanish prison drama only on ALL4 has been. 100k viewers online is tiny, everyone still wants to watch on their big Telly's in the sitting room.
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