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yogacats
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Funny now they don't own it they are pulling it down.

This year is already better than pretty much anything BB under Desmond put out.”

Totally. The 'negativity' seems to have disappeared, oh, and all that stupid music (thank god.)
yogacats
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Funny now they don't own it they are pulling it down.

This year is already better than pretty much anything BB under Desmond put out.”

Totally. The 'negativity' seems to have disappeared, oh, and all that stupid music (thank god.)

SORRY FOR DUPLICATE POST. Don't know what happened there.
richie4eva
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I think it's certainly looking promising. I just desperately hope that there isn't an early 'divide'. When that happens it all becomes a bit boring and predictable and it's also very divisive on here.

I want to see little individual friendship groups develop but most of them getting on overall. The arguments are so much more 'fun' and meaningful when it isn't just done to death daily.

Lets have a few laughs.”

To be fair it is more positive out there than it has been in a long while with the exception of one or two threads

Nice to see people actually getting along and agreeing rather than at each others throats and throwing petty insults at each other
Veri
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that the 'vibe' this year is much more like in the old Channel 4BB?

What a great bunch of housemates (including 'ordinary' people). BRILLIANT! The way it's been going over the last few years, with the housemates being 'cast' has done the format no favours. I'm not feeling the poison this year (eg. Helen, Pauline, Mark, Steven, Kimberley, Toya) so look forward to some laughs and a more upbeat atmosphere.

OK it's early doors, but I think this is going to be the best C5 BB yet, although it doesn't have much to beat after last year's depressing argue-fest. Can't say I'm actually disliking anyone yet! I even like certain housemates. Really liking Nick, Harriet, Joel, Adjoa, Danny, Aaron (even Cristian darn it.)

What's already coming across is the 'real worldness', of the contestants, for example Harriet's self consciousness about 'only working in a cafe' , Jack's never having had sex yet, Eileen's not knowing what twerking is, Nick's massive mistake of leaving the jockey school and more or less bumming about since and having no mates. Even Christian's comment about his not being able to keep up with an ex girlfriend in the money stakes.

Brilliant C5 - THIS is what I want to watch!!! Not a load of half baked, shallow wannabees like it's been going the last couple of years. Keep it up.”

It may be better than last year, or perhaps even BBs 13 and 14. It's too early to tell. But apart from that, I don't agree at all.

The 'vibe' is not very like a C4 BB. In most ways, it is still very much a C5 series. It's going to be just as excessively tasked and twisted as last year. We already even have a HM with something like a pass to the final , and votes where it's not clear what we're voting for.

There are still way too many wannabes in this series; and there's nothing very interesting about the 'ordinary' HMs. To me, the HM selection is very POOR; and they're just as much 'cast' as in other years. There's already signs of 'poison' from some of the guys. I'm already developing a strong dislike for Christian, Danny, Aaron and, to a lesser extent, Harriet and Chloe.

So far, none of the other HMs, apart from Eileen, has much appeal for me either; and though a few seem to have potential, I don't feel I'd have missed anything worth seeing if I hadn't been watching. I'm starting to feel I could skip weeks of this series and not regret it.

People have been seizing on the supposed 'ordinary' and 'normal' nature of some of the HMs; and 'real worldness' seems on a similar theme. But how much is it even true? There's nothing especially 'real-world' in not knowing about something (twerking) that's widely known among ordinary people. There's nothing that's more 'real world' about not having had sex than there is about having had it. And if Harriet's so 'real world' and 'ordinary', what was she doing trying to get into a tv show?

Besides, while it is in a way refreshing that there aren't so quite many HMs from London who've been hanging around on the fringes of the zeleb scene, it still hasn't resulted in HMs who are very interesting. The current popularity of these HMs seems to be almost entirely down to the belief that they're ordinary. It's just the flipside of the dislike for wannabes, rather than any positive qualities those HMs have.
Veri
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“It is the most unlikely U-turn since the Sun dumped Page 3 – the Daily Star has turned its back on Big Brother.
...”

Hmm. that's not how it's seemed to me, looking at front pages when I go shopping. The Star still seemed to be the most interested paper.

But it would be natural for the Star to turn against BB now that C5 is owned by someone else.
Monty_Brewster
15-05-2015
Find this thread strange. Was it started by a producer? The housemates are so self-centred and huge wannabes.
Veri
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I agree it's good just to get nice people even if a few are still wannabees.

Last year only Christmas was nice the rest were just nasty people says a lot when someone like Helen is not even the worse in the house.”

Helen WAS the worst in the house last year; and some of the others weere NOT just nasty people. But I hope the forum doesn't have to have all of last year's arguments all over again. Can't that at least wait 'till the off season?
yogacats
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“It may be better than last year, or perhaps even BBs 13 and 14. It's too early to tell. But apart from that, I don't agree at all.

The 'vibe' is not very like a C4 BB. In most ways, it is still very much a C5 series. It's going to be just as excessively tasked and twisted as last year. We already even have a HM with something like a pass to the final , and votes where it's not clear what we're voting for.

There are still way too many wannabes in this series; and there's nothing very interesting about the 'ordinary' HMs. To me, the HM selection is very POOR; and they're just as much 'cast' as in other years. There's already signs of 'poison' from some of the guys. I'm already developing a strong dislike for Christian, Danny, Aaron and, to a lesser extent, Harriet and Chloe.

So far, none of the other HMs, apart from Eileen, has much appeal for me either; and though a few seem to have potential, I don't feel I'd have missed anything worth seeing if I hadn't been watching. I'm starting to feel I could skip weeks of this series and not regret it.

People have been seizing on the supposed 'ordinary' and 'normal' nature of some of the HMs; and 'real worldness' seems on a similar theme. But how much is it even true? There's nothing especially 'real-world' in not knowing about something (twerking) that's widely known among ordinary people. There's nothing that's more 'real world' about not having had sex than there is about having had it. And if Harriet's so 'real world' and 'ordinary', what was she doing trying to get into a tv show?

Besides, while it is in a way refreshing that there aren't so quite many HMs from London who've been hanging around on the fringes of the zeleb scene, it still hasn't resulted in HMs who are very interesting. The current popularity of these HMs seems to be almost entirely down to the belief that they're ordinary. It's just the flipside of the dislike for wannabes, rather than any positive qualities those HMs have.”

Yeah - you've got some fair points there.

However, all in all, so far, I have much more empathy with this set than I have had the last few years. The only two I could really relate to last year were the two Chris'. I could have taken or left anyone else and I actually detested several of them, eg Steve, Helen, Toya, Kim etc
yogacats
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“Find this thread strange. Was it started by a producer? The housemates are so self-centred and huge wannabes.”

...... I wish!

How is it a strange thread?
James Frederick
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Helen WAS the worst in the house last year; and some of the others weere NOT just nasty people. But I hope the forum doesn't have to have all of last year's arguments all over again. Can't that at least wait 'till the off season?”

I have to disagree as bas as Helen was and she was bad Pauline Danille and Ashleigh were even worse.
yogacats
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I have to disagree as bas as Helen was and she was bad Pauline Danille and Ashleigh were even worse.”

Yep, most of the HM last year all had very negative traits, yes.
wotnot
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that the 'vibe' this year is much more like in the old Channel 4BB?

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YES! I was thinking that myself this morning (I watch on catch-up week days) it really has that old BB vibe, loving it!
Veri
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I have to disagree as bas as Helen was and she was bad Pauline Danille and Ashleigh were even worse.”

I think that's ridiculous, but again: do we have to have last year's arguments all over again? Can't that at least wait 'till the off season? Or at least have its own threads?
James Frederick
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I think that's ridiculous, but again: do we have to have last year's arguments all over again? Can't that at least wait 'till the off season? Or at least have its own threads?”

We can agree to disagree.

Can we agree Gina was worse than the 4 of them put together.
richie4eva
15-05-2015
I think it's best just to leave last years series where it is, in the past

This series is going a lot better so let's not spoil things by raking over old ground and digging up old arguments
gcmac
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“I like it better when their is a varied age range and not club 18/30 .
I don't think they are just "normal Joe Public" contestants....maybe Nick and Harriet as the rest seem to have had some media coverage .”

Looking back at the earlier days of BB the age range wasn't that varied. In the first 7 series there were only 4 housemates 40 or over - bb3 Sandy (42), bb5 Ahmed (44), bb6 Derek (40) and bb7 golden ticket winner Susie (44). The majority of housemates have always been in their 20s. Probably because as people get older they will have more commitments meaning they can't just disappear into a house for an unknown number of weeks.
Veri
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“We can agree to disagree.”

Yes, let's.

Originally Posted by richie4eva:
“I think it's best just to leave last years series where it is, in the past

This series is going a lot better so let's not spoil things by raking over old ground and digging up old arguments”

I think it's good to have a 'reset' when a new series starts; people who disagreed might even find themselves on the same 'side'.

Anyway, though I'm not enthusiastic about bb16, I think there are some signs of improvement. For instance, I noticed last night that Marcus introduced a scene by saying HMs were "discussing"; in recent years, he'd often gave said "bitching" even if it wasn't. Some people have noticed less use of music. And it looked like BB was trying to show something of all of the HMs.
richie4eva
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I think it's good to have a 'reset' when a new series starts; people who disagreed might even find themselves on the same 'side'.

Anyway, though I'm not enthusiastic about bb16, I think there are some signs of improvement. For instance, I noticed last night that Marcus introduced a scene by saying HMs were "discussing"; in recent years, he'd often gave said "bitching" even if it wasn't. Some people have noticed less use of music. And it looked like BB was trying to show something of all of the HMs.”

I'm normally one of the first in line to slate a series in this era of the show, as many have noticed but this year just feels different

I remember when I praised last year's series for having potential after just two days and swiftly regretted it after it snowballed at rate of knots shortly afterward

This year I have praised it after a few hours and I am really not regretting it at all so far

Granted there was the usual noms meddling, in giving Jack 3 immunities and Nick the face to face every week penalty which I'm not a big fan of, but if the TPTB don't stick their oar in too much and let this series flow naturally it could be a winner
Veri
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“I like it better when their is a varied age range and not club 18/30 .
I don't think they are just "normal Joe Public" contestants....maybe Nick and Harriet as the rest seem to have had some media coverage .”

I think BB has worked out that a few 'normal' HMs will get many people thinking there's a been a big change. And that the 'ordinary' HMs will seem to have virtues such as being genuine, being themself, not playing a game, ...

It takes only a little of some things to get many people to feel there's more of it than there actually is. It's like when a HM is nasty to other HMs' faces, people may believe they're 'honest' and don't bitch behind backs, even if they do a lot of behind-backs bitching too.

BB could have pulled the same trick with older HMs, but for some reason didn't do quite enough. Still, before we knew who the HMs were, people read comments from Rylan about them and thought there'd be a good range of ages. Even when the HMs were revealed, and the average age (27) was fairly standard, it could seem an improvement. Yet after the first night only one HM over 30 was left.

Originally Posted by gcmac:
“Looking back at the earlier days of BB the age range wasn't that varied. In the first 7 series there were only 4 housemates 40 or over - bb3 Sandy (42), bb5 Ahmed (44), bb6 Derek (40) and bb7 golden ticket winner Susie (44). The majority of housemates have always been in their 20s. Probably because as people get older they will have more commitments meaning they can't just disappear into a house for an unknown number of weeks.”

Since there are so few >= 40, it can be useful to look at >= 30 as well.

So here are the numbers and percent of the total, ordered by percentage:

BB2 4 of 11 = 36.36%
BB5 4 of 13 = 30.77%
BB7 6 of 22 = 27.27%
BB8 6 of 23 = 26.09%
BB9 5 of 21 = 23.81%
BB11 5 of 21 = 23.81%
BB4 3 of 13 = 23.08%
BB15 4 of 19 = 21.05%
BB14 3 of 15 = 20.0%
BB6 3 of 16 = 18.75%
BB16 3 of 16 = 18.75%
BB1 2 of 11 = 18.18%
BB13 3 of 17 = 17.65%
BB3 2 of 14 = 14.29%
BB10 3 of 22 = 13.64%
BB12 2 of 15 = 13.33%

It's perhaps not surprising that bb12 was the lowest.

But if we take Simon out, bb16 also has 2 out of 15, giving it the lowest average too, tied with bb12.

(I have a little program that I use for such things, so I'm not doing it by hand. I used the date in the Wikipedia list of BB housemates.)
Zadeth
15-05-2015
I'm really liking the feel of this series.. Just hope BB don't mess it up with too many twists or manufactured arguments - look at tensions rising between the HMs when you leave them alone over the smallest things like last night.. I just wish we had 24/7 Live Feed..
Penny Crayon
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Zadeth:
“I'm really liking the feel of this series.. Just hope BB don't mess it up with too many twists or manufactured arguments - look at tensions rising between the HMs when you leave them alone over the smallest things like last night.. I just wish we had 24/7 Live Feed..”

Apparently tonight they will be letting them know who has been voted the most popular via the App. Is there any need? A poisoned chalice if ever there was one.
Zadeth
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Apparently tonight they will be letting them know who has been voted the most popular via the App. Is there any need? A poisoned chalice if ever there was one.”

Jack will quickly become Wolfy 2.0
chloedancer
15-05-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Apparently tonight they will be letting them know who has been voted the most popular via the App. Is there any need? A poisoned chalice if ever there was one.”

And this,along with the first night task is why bb will never convince me they want better tv for us to view.Now we know roughly who the 5 least popular are in the eyes of the app voting public.If any of them are up for eviction against someone not picked.......they are more than likely gone(maybe swap jack for Sarah)likewise,we will know on Friday,who will stay for a long time.

It takes some of the fun out of it for me.Not least,because they wont be behaving naturally once they know who's "loved"on the plus side.eviction betting will be fairly easy again
bluefb
15-05-2015
Danny knows Biannca from last year and has dated Amy Childs, he's clearly part of the zeleb scene and his attitude so far shows him to be as shallow as they come. Money aside, Cristian was dating someone from Hollyoaks and with his comedy rapping seems desperate for fame. Aaron, Adjoa and Jade are all fashion models, so presumably mix in celeb circles to some degree. Eileen has appeared in all kinds of things and is a bit of a cult film star. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that several conestants have agents or friends in BB or the production team.

Seems as incestuous as ever to me.
Littlegreen42
15-05-2015
It's the best CH5 opening few days. Reminds me of the old days on CH4.
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