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missbeenie
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“A lot of people looking for offence here. It was an attempt at a joke which fell flat. Don't let's get carried away.”

There were people in the audience who also found her offensive, just because you reel it out as an joke doesn't mean it's not offensive.
cavalli
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by Jaygar:
“With regards to the one up the tree remark I think she tried to make a joke about Adjoa's name sounding similar to the song Agadoo, not that she was like a monkey, but she got the words wrong.

"Agadoo do do push pineapples shake the tree" but she got it wrong and said push pineapples up the tree instead, of course I could be mistaken.”

Yep, all those going on about monkeys in trees are reaching to the heavens.

The Ebola thing was suspect though, not helped by her looking like some auld, UKipper's fishwife.
Moomin STFC
16-05-2015
Ebola maybe wasn't the best idea, but the tree comment was definitely a misquoted reference to Agadoo.
Monkeys? I think people are getting carried away with the racism card a bit too much here.
BWBIDH
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by missbeenie:
“There were people in the audience who also found her offensive, just because you reel it out as an joke doesn't mean it's not offensive.”

People can take offence to anything. I'm offended that Jack uses the nickname Pieface as a badge of honour. Is he going to stop doing it because I don't like it? No he isn't.
Iggy's Boy
16-05-2015
In the words of Gordon Brown 'what a bigoted woman'!

'Ooh, someone's got a foreign name I'm not familiar with, I will mispronounce it for comic effect and make it sound like a disease!'

I don't think we'll be seeing this crashing bore and her tedious casual racism anymore, thank god.
R82n8
16-05-2015
Ignorant, but not racist.
This will not sate some peoples desire for blood.
getmadnow17
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by PiperRoX:
“This is the problem with today's society. Even when overt racism is punching you in the face, you dismiss it. Not a God in hell's chance of picking up on covert racism then.”

Quoted for emphasis.

I think the people trying to claim that the remark was just a joke or people are being overly sensitive are either ignorant or trying to play ignorant.

That old lady thought she was being slick by deliberately mispronouncing a west African person's name by calling her a disease that's rife in West Africa and said then said something about 'up a tree'. Just some enlightenment for the ignorant folks, racist society has spent centuries trying to spin narratives that try to dehumanize black people as primates, , It's never advisable to equate black people to monkeys or anything monkey related.

These new age bigots try to be offensive and sprout their racial ignorance through slick comments, I'm glad some people are intelligent and decent enough to see through it.
PunksNotDead
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by Iggy's Boy:
“In the words of Gordon Brown 'what a bigoted woman'!

'Ooh, someone's got a foreign name I'm not familiar with, I will mispronounce it for comic effect and make it sound like a disease!'

I don't think we'll be seeing this crashing bore and her tedious casual racism anymore, thank god.”

lol.
mangomoon
16-05-2015
I was disgusted by that comment last night. A lot of people on Twitter commenting on it too. If I see that woman on BBBOTS again I will be complaining.
Scarlett Berry
16-05-2015
Well the stupid auld biddy has signed her own death warrant with those remarks. Obviously from the same comedic school of repulsive Jim Davidson. She won't be seen on BBBOTS again. Thank God...
johnan
16-05-2015
It is an awful programme with an awful audience, usually awful panel and terrible presenter.
It scrapes along the bottom of what can be regarded as watchable TV, so it is not surprising to hear these sort of remarks.
lightblues
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by getmadnow17:
“Quoted for emphasis.

I think the people trying to claim that the remark was just a joke or people are being overly sensitive are either ignorant or trying to play ignorant.

That old lady thought she was being slick by deliberately mispronouncing a west African person's name by calling her a disease that's rife in West Africa and said then said something about 'up a tree'. Just some enlightenment for the ignorant folks, racist society has spent centuries trying to spin narratives that try to dehumanize black people as primates, , It's never advisable to equate black people to monkeys or anything monkey related.

These new age bigots try to be offensive and sprout their racial ignorance through slick comments, I'm glad some people are intelligent and decent enough to see through it.”

Well said.
Penny Crayon
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by R82n8:
“Ignorant, but not racist.
This will not sate some peoples desire for blood.”

That's how I saw it.

Stupid woman - I think she thought she was being amusing but is too ignorant to understand why it might have given offence.

Even now I don't think she'll have enough savvy to even be embarrassed by it.
Taintedmeat
16-05-2015
It's ok guys I have already complained to ofcom . Ch 5 and have tweeted Dylan demanding she never return.

If anyone sees her on the show in future please let me know so I can take further action.
PiperRoX
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by getmadnow17:
“Quoted for emphasis.

I think the people trying to claim that the remark was just a joke or people are being overly sensitive are either ignorant or trying to play ignorant.

That old lady thought she was being slick by deliberately mispronouncing a west African person's name by calling her a disease that's rife in West Africa and said then said something about 'up a tree'. Just some enlightenment for the ignorant folks, racist society has spent centuries trying to spin narratives that try to dehumanize black people as primates, , It's never advisable to equate black people to monkeys or anything monkey related.

These new age bigots try to be offensive and sprout their racial ignorance through slick comments, I'm glad some people are intelligent and decent enough to see through it.”

I couldn't agree more. It was so clear what was going on. It really is crazy - how people who have lived different lives can have such different points of view, just through lack of exposure to any one situation or issue. As a black woman, I have experienced racism in many different forms over the years. I know that feeling. I KNOW when racism is happening, and to be told that I'm being too sensitive, or that what is going on isn't going on, is terribly insulting. Come and live in my shoes, or most other black people's shoes, and then tell me what both overt and covert racism is, and how to spot it.

Almost every black person that I talk to knows when racism is occurring. It is something that most of us have experienced since being old enough to understand.

I just cannot believe that racism as overt as that woman's, last night, is still not being recognized as racism. Ridiculous.
getmadnow17
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by PiperRoX:
“I couldn't agree more. It was so clear what was going on. It really is crazy - how people who have lived different lives can have such different points of view, just through lack of exposure to any one situation or issue. As a black woman, I have experienced racism in many different forms over the years. I know that feeling. I KNOW when racism is happening, and to be told that I'm being too sensitive, or that what is going on isn't going on, is terribly insulting. Come and live in my shoes, or most other black people's shoes, and then tell me what both overt and covert racism is, and how to spot it.

Almost every black person that I talk to knows when racism is occurring. It is something that most of us have experienced since being old enough to understand.

I just cannot believe that racism as overt as that woman's, last night, is still not being recognized as racism. Ridiculous.”

Maybe it's just me but i have noticed in the past couple of years whenever an incidence of racism is brought up, people are quick to trivialise it or dismiss it. The person who highlights incidence is made out to be the aggressor and is accused of playing the 'race card' (insulting phrase imo).

Sadly this behaviour has become so rife that i just expect it now. I have to admit that this thread has been a welcome surprise, i expected most FMs to be siding with the old troll, it's has kinda restored my faith in DS a bit.
Scarlett Berry
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by getmadnow17:
“Maybe it's just me but i have noticed in the past couple of years whenever an incidence of racism is brought up, people are quick to trivialise it or dismiss it. The person who highlights incidence is made out to be the aggressor and is accused of playing the 'race card' (insulting phrase imo).

Sadly this behaviour has become so rife that i just expect it now. I have to admit that this thread has been a welcome surprise, i expected most FMs to be siding with the old troll, it's has kinda restored my faith in DS a bit.”

Proper order and I'm happy that your faith has been restored. I watched it and my mouth fell open...I couldn't believe it. For those excusing it as the mutterings of an older woman, well shame on them. Her Ebola remark was distasteful on so many levels and if that is what she finds humourous...she should never be back on tv. Unacceptable.
PiperRoX
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by getmadnow17:
“Maybe it's just me but i have noticed in the past couple of years whenever an incidence of racism is brought up, people are quick to trivialise it or dismiss it. The person who highlights incidence is made out to be the aggressor and is accused of playing the 'race card' (insulting phrase imo).

Sadly this behaviour has become so rife that i just expect it now. I have to admit that this thread has been a welcome surprise, i expected most FMs to be siding with the old troll, it's has kinda restored my faith in DS a bit.”

It is easier to brush it under the carpet, trivialize, and dismiss it. It is easier to make the one who makes the claims seem as though they are pulling the race card, and playing the victim, when that is not the case in most incidents. Many people are under the impression that racism is nowhere near as prevalent as it used to be, which is simply not true. Just because something is not so PC anymore, that doesn't mean that it has gone away. It will just manifest in more covert ways, because the actual social conditioning behind it has not been worked through or challenged. It is just more vastly deemed as unacceptable to be racist. That is all that has changed. The underlying problem is still very much alive though. It does not help that those who don't have to experience it do not have much experience with it, so they are less able to spot it when it is occurring, or empathize when it happens.

But I must agree with you again, in that I have been shocked a couple of times on this forum already, with this year's BB. People have spotted things that I've been spotting for years, and it feels great to have more people becoming more aware of some of the social conditioning issues that plague our culture, whether it pertains to race or sexism.
DJ MAYHEM
16-05-2015
The PC brigade really annoy me but I don't think anyone has been over sensitive with that womans "joke". I am very broad minded but her remarks really took me aback, I hope she never gets on Bbots.
Derbyshire.
16-05-2015
Probably a UKIP voter.
bigbrotherwafa
16-05-2015
Hope the fat chav gets ebola
bluefb
16-05-2015
Some people take pride in deliberately mispronouncing exotic, technical or 'intellectual' words. I think it's meant to prove how down to earth they are or something.

That said, even a simple-sounding alien word like 'a-joa' can be difficult to remember the first few times you hear it.
Dr Z
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by yorkiegal:
“she wasn't being thick, she was being racist imo.
just like the jade poppadom remark.”

Why is it racist? I know a guy called Wayne, who gets called D-wayne & Drain, Another guy called Justin gets called Dustbin... In fact I could give hundreds of examples I've seen and heard over the years.

Why does taking the mickey out of a name suddenly become something different if the name is foreign sounding?
bluefb
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by PunksNotDead:
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrCspcfrz3I”

Just watched it for the first time. It was obviously deliberate, seeing as she pronounces it correctly immediately after. I don't buy that she's a fan either, seems more like her reason for commenting was to make her joke and she only added the vague and patronising 'I think she's great fun' to cover her back. It's the Bernard Manning/Jim Davidson school of humour: slag someone off and if they take offence then they 'can't take a joke' and obviously aren't 'one of us'.

And neither 'Ebola' or 'Adjoa' sound anything like 'Agadoo'.
missbeenie
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“Why is it racist? I know a guy called Wayne, who gets called D-wayne & Drain, Another guy called Justin gets called Dustbin... In fact I could give hundreds of examples I've seen and heard over the years.

Why does taking the mickey out of a name suddenly become something different if the name is foreign sounding?”


What complete strangers, just came up to them and started calling them those names?
I know friends will change people's names around, to fit with a circumstance, but not just call someone a deviation on their name just for the hell of it.

The woman thought she was been funny ,but she was just offensive, there was no need to change her name into a deadly disease, that mainly affects black people, do you get it now.
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