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Sarah and Harriet discus class, benefits, sexuality and racism
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Scarlett Berry
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania;78100547[B:
“]Because they have to they have no other choice, If each of us was offered a cheque for 10m would most say no thanks I am quite happy as I am thank you, I don't think so[/b]. And even David Cameron admits there is a big problem with in the whole of Europe with immigrants and immigration.....”

That is not the point I was making. Not everyone is money obsessive, nor does eveyone want to win the lottery, I'm sorry if you cannot fathom that but it's true. Many people I know are VERY happy to work and live withing their monetary boundaries...

David Cameron thinks immigration is a problem..No really................
Scarlett Berry
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania;78100547[B:
“]Because they have to they have no other choice, If each of us was offered a cheque for 10m would most say no thanks I am quite happy as I am thank you, I don't think so[/b]. And even David Cameron admits there is a big problem with in the whole of Europe with immigrants and immigration.....”

That is not the point I was making. Not everyone is money obsessive, nor does eveyone want to win the lottery, (they don't participate in it).

I'm sorry if you cannot fathom that but it's true. Many people I know are VERY happy to work and live within their monetary boundaries...

David Cameron thinks immigration is a problem..No really................
Odette Valmont
16-05-2015
I understand what she was saying, and I agree with most of it, however she really didn't think about how to say it. It's not going to look good for her... Although, I get the feeling she isn't really bothered about coming across in a good light. I'm glad we have a housemate who doesn't shy away from controversial opinion and doesn't seem to care about pleasing the viewing public.
trevor tiger
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania:
“People have made there minds up about her, you mustn't like money you know! you should scrape by on the little you have and be grateful for it, what a load of rubbish given half the chance we would all like to be Euro Lottery Millionaires.....”

I think there's a difference between wanting to enjoy the benefits of money which I agree we all do and saying as Sarah did that money is your biggest turn on and that you would only consider going out with someone who is loaded. Personally I think she said it like Harriet said she supported UKIP and Jade said she was polyamorous to be controversial and get on the show but the type of things people are prepared to say does say something about them as people.
trevor tiger
16-05-2015
Originally Posted by Captain Kipper:
“But the OVER reaction on this thread is the main reason why HM's wont open up about what their opinions are on subjects, that's why we only ever hear them discussing sex. ”

Right so you want us to keep schtum about our opinions in order for HMs to feel free to open up about theirs That makes total sense.
rhizo_mania
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“That is not the point I was making. Not everyone is money obsessive, nor does eveyone want to win the lottery, (they don't participate in it).

I'm sorry if you cannot fathom that but it's true. Many people I know are VERY happy to work and live within their monetary boundaries...

David Cameron thinks immigration is a problem..No really................”


Its always better to have than to have not, if being wealthy does not sit well with you and your friends you could always give it to charity, but after reading your post #47 I can see I am wasting my time as your mind is clearly made up on the HM......
Scarlett Berry
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania:
“Its always better to have than to have not, if being wealthy does not sit well with you and your friends you could always give it to charity, but after reading your post #47 I can see I am wasting my time as your mind is clearly made up on the HM......”

I never mentioned my personal circumstances or those of my friends so please don't be
presumptuous. It's not kind or clever.

It's never a waste of time to debate and put your point accross for discussion, after all, isn't that what a forum is about.
cah
17-05-2015
For someone who's training to be a Lawyer she's not very Articulate or good at getting her point across clearly ....i can just see her in court defending someone and then furiously trying to backpeddle when challenged ...daft bint
onfencewithrach
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by bluefb:
“Rumour is Ron Howard is in talks to direct the film adaptation.”

Ha ha ha,
blahblahblah57
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania:
“Because they have to they have no other choice, If each of us was offered a cheque for 10m would most say no thanks I am quite happy as I am thank you, I don't think so. And even David Cameron admits there is a big problem with in the whole of Europe with immigrants and immigration.....”

EVEN David Cameron?????
rhizo_mania
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“I never mentioned my personal circumstances or those of my friends so please don't be
presumptuous. It's not kind or clever.

It's never a waste of time to debate and put your point across for discussion, after all, isn't that what a forum is about.”


Sorry if think I have been unkind to you it was never my intention, and it is never a waste of time in debating, as we all have different points of view on the same subjects, it would be a waste of time if we all thought the same and agreed on everything.....
bluefb
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania:
“People have made there minds up about her, you mustn't like money you know! you should scrape by on the little you have and be grateful for it, what a load of rubbish given half the chance we would all like to be Euro Lottery Millionaires.....”

Clearly no one is objecting to her 'liking money'. That's not even what she said. I can't believe you even think anyone would be dumb enough to buy your ridiculous misrepresentation.
rhizo_mania
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by blahblahblah57:
“EVEN David Cameron????? ”

Shock horror, but you know what I mean, without having to go into a long political rant on immigration.....
blahblahblah57
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by Captain Kipper:
“Agreed.

She never suggested that she agrees with either homophobia or racism.

The most controversial thing in that discussion (for me at least) was that Harriet at every given opportunity is going to play the "im a working class down to earth gal" card.”

I know I really shouldn‘t comment as I didn‘t see or hear said exchange, but if what is quoted here is true - I hardly think having an “Awrigh‘ me ol‘ mucker, ah‘m a good ol‘
fashioned workin‘ class gal, ah am!“ approach is more controversial or, impo, offensive than the comments on immigrants.
spkx
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“Most people that go to the trouble of studying something like law as opposed to media studies are generally looking for a career and will definitely be earning enough to pay back the loan”

You may be surprised:

http://offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/O...oymentrate.jpg

Granted it doesn't take into account what the job is or whether it's related to the degree, but then nor does the Student Loans Company when it takes repayments so it doesn't matter anyway.
bluefb
17-05-2015
The issue isn't that she objects to migrants 'who don't work'. Saying "I don't like migrants who come here just to claim benefits" is like saying "I don't like criminals". It's so mind-numbingly inane that it begs the question of why she even feels compelled to say so and suggests an ulterior motive. Why focus on migrants in particular? What special role do they play in the benefits system? Truth is they barely figure, but they provide a convenient scapegoat. Associating them with scrounging provides a seemingly legitimate reason for targeting them, concealing possible undercurrents of xenophobia and racism.

Citing Katie Hopkins as some kind of role model should tell us all we need to know. It's populism for unthinking dolts; holding opinions for the purpose of self-aggrandisement rather than sincere conviction (or even interest). It's ironically the sort of attitude rife among the uneducated, tabloid-reading, Jeremy Kyle-watching commoners Sarah also purports to hate.
Hogface
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by bluefb:
“The issue isn't that she objects to migrants 'who don't work'. Saying "I don't like migrants who come here just to claim benefits" is like saying "I don't like criminals". It's so mind-numbingly inane that it begs the question of why she even feels compelled to say so and suggests an ulterior motive. Why focus on migrants in particular? What special role do they play in the benefits system? Truth is they barely figure, but they provide a convenient scapegoat. Associating them with scrounging provides a seemingly legitimate reason for targeting them, concealing possible undercurrents of xenophobia and racism.

Citing Katie Hopkins as some kind of role model should tell us all we need to know. It's populism for unthinking dolts; holding opinions for the purpose of self-aggrandisement rather than sincere conviction (or even interest). It's ironically the sort of attitude rife among the uneducated, tabloid-reading, Jeremy Kyle-watching commoners Sarah also purports to hate.”

In a nutshell
Cat-
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by bluefb:
“The issue isn't that she objects to migrants 'who don't work'. Saying "I don't like migrants who come here just to claim benefits" is like saying "I don't like criminals". It's so mind-numbingly inane that it begs the question of why she even feels compelled to say so and suggests an ulterior motive. Why focus on migrants in particular? What special role do they play in the benefits system? Truth is they barely figure, but they provide a convenient scapegoat. Associating them with scrounging provides a seemingly legitimate reason for targeting them, concealing possible undercurrents of xenophobia and racism.

Citing Katie Hopkins as some kind of role model should tell us all we need to know. It's populism for unthinking dolts; holding opinions for the purpose of self-aggrandisement rather than sincere conviction (or even interest). It's ironically the sort of attitude rife among the uneducated, tabloid-reading, Jeremy Kyle-watching commoners Sarah also purports to hate.”

In a nutshell. Very well said!
yogacats
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by bluefb:
“The issue isn't that she objects to migrants 'who don't work'. Saying "I don't like migrants who come here just to claim benefits" is like saying "I don't like criminals". It's so mind-numbingly inane that it begs the question of why she even feels compelled to say so and suggests an ulterior motive. Why focus on migrants in particular? What special role do they play in the benefits system? Truth is they barely figure, but they provide a convenient scapegoat. Associating them with scrounging provides a seemingly legitimate reason for targeting them, concealing possible undercurrents of xenophobia and racism.

Citing Katie Hopkins as some kind of role model should tell us all we need to know. It's populism for unthinking dolts; holding opinions for the purpose of self-aggrandisement rather than sincere conviction (or even interest). It's ironically the sort of attitude rife among the uneducated, tabloid-reading, Jeremy Kyle-watching commoners Sarah also purports to hate.”

^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
dd68
17-05-2015
If Harriet would have displayed any negative aspects of herself or negative opinions, Sarah would have joined in, I think she was trying to figure her out
Fanntastik
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by bluefb:
“The issue isn't that she objects to migrants 'who don't work'. Saying "I don't like migrants who come here just to claim benefits" is like saying "I don't like criminals". It's so mind-numbingly inane that it begs the question of why she even feels compelled to say so and suggests an ulterior motive. Why focus on migrants in particular? What special role do they play in the benefits system? Truth is they barely figure, but they provide a convenient scapegoat. Associating them with scrounging provides a seemingly legitimate reason for targeting them, concealing possible undercurrents of xenophobia and racism.

Citing Katie Hopkins as some kind of role model should tell us all we need to know. It's populism for unthinking dolts; holding opinions for the purpose of self-aggrandisement rather than sincere conviction (or even interest). It's ironically the sort of attitude rife among the uneducated, tabloid-reading, Jeremy Kyle-watching commoners Sarah also purports to hate.”

Excellent post.
Desy Boy
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by bluefb:
“The issue isn't that she objects to migrants 'who don't work'. Saying "I don't like migrants who come here just to claim benefits" is like saying "I don't like criminals". It's so mind-numbingly inane that it begs the question of why she even feels compelled to say so and suggests an ulterior motive. Why focus on migrants in particular? What special role do they play in the benefits system? Truth is they barely figure, but they provide a convenient scapegoat. Associating them with scrounging provides a seemingly legitimate reason for targeting them, concealing possible undercurrents of xenophobia and racism.

Citing Katie Hopkins as some kind of role model should tell us all we need to know. It's populism for unthinking dolts; holding opinions for the purpose of self-aggrandisement rather than sincere conviction (or even interest). It's ironically the sort of attitude rife among the uneducated, tabloid-reading, Jeremy Kyle-watching commoners Sarah also purports to hate.”

Case closed.
Desy Boy
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by bluefb:
“The issue isn't that she objects to migrants 'who don't work'. Saying "I don't like migrants who come here just to claim benefits" is like saying "I don't like criminals". It's so mind-numbingly inane that it begs the question of why she even feels compelled to say so and suggests an ulterior motive. Why focus on migrants in particular? What special role do they play in the benefits system? Truth is they barely figure, but they provide a convenient scapegoat. Associating them with scrounging provides a seemingly legitimate reason for targeting them, concealing possible undercurrents of xenophobia and racism.

Citing Katie Hopkins as some kind of role model should tell us all we need to know. It's populism for unthinking dolts; holding opinions for the purpose of self-aggrandisement rather than sincere conviction (or even interest). It's ironically the sort of attitude rife among the uneducated, tabloid-reading, Jeremy Kyle-watching commoners Sarah also purports to hate.”

I'm quoting this again because fk it I can.
Scarlet O'Hara
17-05-2015
Originally Posted by cah:
“For someone who's training to be a Lawyer she's not very Articulate or good at getting her point across clearly ....i can just see her in court defending someone and then furiously trying to backpeddle when challenged ...daft bint”

I remember when studying law seemed like a reliable benchmark of intellect and education. Clearly not anymore if her and, is it Adjoa? are anything to go by.

Originally Posted by bluefb:
“The issue isn't that she objects to migrants 'who don't work'. Saying "I don't like migrants who come here just to claim benefits" is like saying "I don't like criminals". It's so mind-numbingly inane that it begs the question of why she even feels compelled to say so and suggests an ulterior motive. Why focus on migrants in particular? What special role do they play in the benefits system? Truth is they barely figure, but they provide a convenient scapegoat. Associating them with scrounging provides a seemingly legitimate reason for targeting them, concealing possible undercurrents of xenophobia and racism.

Citing Katie Hopkins as some kind of role model should tell us all we need to know. It's populism for unthinking dolts; holding opinions for the purpose of self-aggrandisement rather than sincere conviction (or even interest). It's ironically the sort of attitude rife among the uneducated, tabloid-reading, Jeremy Kyle-watching commoners Sarah also purports to hate.”

This. Completely.

It's populist ignorance, untroubled by the facts and fuelled by our propagandist press and UKIP. Facts like how much immigrants contribute to the economy vs taking from it (eg they put in 37% more than they take out vs Brits taking out 20% more than they put in so the net gain from migrants is greater than from Brits). Or how many Brits are migrants in other countries. Or indeed how many migrants make up our population (I.e. it's less than many other European countries, US and Australia).
little-monster
17-05-2015
Her comment on sexuality is infuritating.

She needs to get her head out of her arse. From the minute she walked in, I had her marked as TROUBLE
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