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The Public think that Harriet is better looking than Jade, Adjoa and the Twins
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trevor tiger
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I think if you're sat at home and you look a bit like Harriet and you're 17 or 18 the temptation is to vote for Harriet as the most attractive because it is, in a way, self-affirming to then watch the results come in and watch someone who looks like you being named most attractive. That's the same reason why you wouldn't vote for Sarah, or Jade, or Adjoa or the twins; because you feel they're better-looking than you and you wouldn't get that nice, warm, fuzzy feeling when Ms. Normal wins the crown.

It's why all those 'ugly duckling' chick flicks do so well at the Box Office. You have to leave your brain in the foyer, of course, to ignore the fact that the 'ugly duckling' was a thinly disguised stunner to begin with. ”

Yeah they always wear glasses when they're ugly ducklings then take the glasses off and lo and behold there's a beauty

I understand the notion you're talking of but what strikes me with BB and these recent polls is the punishment aspect as much as the reward factor IE Voting Adjoa the most untrustworthy etc as well as her not even featuring in the most attractive. At least Sarah did actually win that.

I suppose the punishment aspect is something very particular to BB
chloedancer
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Yeah they always wear glasses when they're ugly ducklings then take the glasses off and lo and behold there's a beauty

I understand the notion you're talking of but what strikes me with BB and these recent polls is the punishment aspect as much as the reward factor IE Voting Adjoa the most untrustworthy etc as well as her not even featuring in the most attractive. At least Sarah did actually win that.

I suppose the punishment aspect is something very particular to BB ”

but they enjoyed making it clear,she was 2nd it some of the worst ones.

They will never top the Ashleigh love in and the Hazel kicking in my worst app/viewer votes/polls
Barracute
20-05-2015
Well i don't agree with the public....

Harriet should have been number one!
keeping_it_real
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“But those jaws!

Sorry - but they're channeling Bruce Forsythe for me.”

For me too, I think they're quite horsey looking but they have the veneer of attractiveness that comes with being well groomed, slim and blonde. Give them Jade's frizzy brown hair, no make up and Harriet's figure and I don't believe anyone would find them (facially) beautiful at all.
patsylimerick
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by chloedancer:
“I totally agree with this, but then i would add this logic to evictions as well.what do you think?”

I think it's very true of evictions; but that's got a more unpleasant aspect to it when it's vote to evict - because it's a negative action towards someone. With the most attractive poll, you could do it and feel good about yourself because you're doing something positive for Harriet. If it's a vote to save, the same applies. Vote to evict and you have to think about why you're voting to evict that very attractive young woman.

Originally Posted by Veri:
“I didn't say it meant that, just that it fits better with the jealousy explanation. It's often part of the jealousy explanation that it's about looks that seem threatening, with non-threatening looks not getting the same reaction.”

I think threatening/non-threatening is exactly the right phraseology in this context. I also don't think it's something we should particularly condemn young female voters for; as I said, I think it's understandable and we can all remember being a young woman and constantly, incessantly comparing ourselves to other young women. It's a societal thing and I think it's almost innate because it's certainly not peculiar to our brand of Western culture.


Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Yeah they always wear glasses when they're ugly ducklings then take the glasses off and lo and behold there's a beauty

I understand the notion you're talking of but what strikes me with BB and these recent polls is the punishment aspect as much as the reward factor IE Voting Adjoa the most untrustworthy etc as well as her not even featuring in the most attractive. At least Sarah did actually win that.

I suppose the punishment aspect is something very particular to BB ”

Rachel Lee Cook (I think?) in She's All That was absolutely hilarious. She was STUNNING in the glasses and the dungarees - drop dead gorgeous. Then they put some lippy and a dress on here and even her father, apparently, didn't recognize her Ah well, it sends young girls to sleep happy.
Mumberley
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“But those jaws!

Sorry - but they're channeling Bruce Forsythe for me.”

Yes, me too!
SegaGamer
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Sick Bullet:
“They didn't get many right I thought but Sarah best looking I agree with.”

There is no right or wrong, only opinions.
eva_prior
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I think if you're sat at home and you look a bit like Harriet and you're 17 or 18 the temptation is to vote for Harriet as the most attractive because it is, in a way, self-affirming to then watch the results come in and watch someone who looks like you being named most attractive. That's the same reason why you wouldn't vote for Sarah, or Jade, or Adjoa or the twins; because you feel they're better-looking than you and you wouldn't get that nice, warm, fuzzy feeling when Ms. Normal wins the crown.

It's why all those 'ugly duckling' chick flicks do so well at the Box Office. You have to leave your brain in the foyer, of course, to ignore the fact that the 'ugly duckling' was a thinly disguised stunner to begin with. ”

I think this explanation is spot on.

What interests me is whether or not it can actually have the desired effect of slowly changing the next generation's perception of what is deemed more attractive or not? In the same way Jade G. made 'not knowing common knowledge facts' something to be celebrated and emulated for a large demographic of our population.
Veri
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“There is no right or wrong, only opinions.”

Opinions can be wrong.
Jane_Lee3
20-05-2015
IMHO, Harriet is cute and quite pretty and comes across as rather ordinary; THAT is why she appeals to folk I think. My other half thinks she is adorable.!!!

I think she is cute, but have to say Sarah is the best IMO. Very attractive. Lovely smile, nice eyes.

Jade (in my opinion) is not in the least bit pretty. I would rate her a 4 out of 10. Yes her body is good, but from the neck up....... No.

Adjoa is not pretty either IMO.

I can't believe how Jade keeps thinking/saying she is 'obviously beautiful.' She is not IMO. Seems the public don't think so either! That must have really stung her.

It's one thing to be positive and confident; it's another to be vain and conceited and full of yourself. Jade is the latter.

IMO the twins are OK but not especially beautiful. 6 out of 10 IMO.

Another thing is; some people think tall, gangly, and skinny = beautiful. No matter what the face is like. Not so. There is a LOT more to being beautiful than being skinny and leggy.
Veri
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Jane_Lee3:
“IMHO, Harriet is cute and quite pretty and comes across as rather ordinary; THAT is why she appeals to folk I think. My other half thinks she is adorable.!!!

I think she is cute, but have to say Sarah is the best IMO. Very attractive. Lovely smile, nice eyes.

Jade (in my opinion) is not in the least bit pretty. I would rate her a 4 out of 10. Yes her body is good, but from the neck up....... No.

Adjoa is not pretty either IMO.

I can't believe how Jade keeps thinking/saying she is 'obviously beautiful.' She is not IMO. Seems the public don't think so either! That must have really stung her.

It's one thing to be positive and confident; it's another to be vain and conceited and full of yourself. Jade is the latter.

IMO the twins are OK but not especially beautiful. 6 out of 10 IMO.

Another thing is; some people think tall, gangly, and skinny = beautiful. No matter what the face is like. Not so. There is a LOT more to being beautiful than being skinny and leggy.”

The problem with all of that is that Jade is obviously beautiful. The idea that she is "not in the least bit pretty" is odd, to say the least.

It's very common, however, for people to say a beautiful woman they dislike isn't beautiful. I have seen it many times. It doesn't always happen, but it is very common. People who say it may even genuinely believe the woman isn't beautiful; but that doesn't make them right.

It's not true that the public don't think she's beautiful. The public have not been asked, and people who vote in one of the BB app polls can have a variety of different motives, as we've discussed in this thread.
Jane_Lee3
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“The problem with all of that is that Jade is obviously beautiful. The idea that she is "not in the least bit pretty" is odd, to say the least.

It's very common, however, for people to say a beautiful woman they dislike isn't beautiful. I have seen it many times. It doesn't always happen, but it is very common. People who say it may even genuinely believe the woman isn't beautiful; but that doesn't make them right.

It's not true that the public don't think she's beautiful. The public have not been asked, and people who vote in one of the BB app polls can have a variety of different motives, as we've discussed in this thread.”

That is your opinion, and my opinion is that Jade is not pretty at all. IMO, she has a weird mouth, and a weird shaped head. Not in the least bit pretty IMO. Let alone obviously beautiful. And it is nothing to do with liking her or not, as I am indifferent to her.

I find it odd (to say the least!) that you think someone's opinion is odd because it doesn't coincide with yours.
keeping_it_real
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“The problem with all of that is that Jade is obviously beautiful.”

I don't think she is though I do wonder if she has 'something' that doesn't come across well on TV for the others to all have assumed she would be voted most attractive.

If beauty is symmetry (and studies show that the more symmetrical a face the more it is perceived to be beautiful) then Jade isn't. She made a big deal about one eyebrow being higher than the other but in fact one eye is a good half inch higher than the other and also a different shape.

If you cover her eyes the rest of her face may be beautiful (which may be why she looks better with heavy eye makeup as it disguises the oddness of her eyes.)
SegaGamer
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Opinions can be wrong.”

Of course they can, but in this case i don't think they can be. How can you say somebody is wrong for having a different opinion of a HM to anybody else ?
Jane_Lee3
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by keeping_it_real:
“I don't think she is though I do wonder if she has 'something' that doesn't come across well on TV for the others to all have assumed she would be voted most attractive.

If beauty is symmetry (and studies show that the more symmetrical a face the more it is perceived to be beautiful) then Jade isn't. She made a big deal about one eyebrow being higher than the other but in fact one eyes is noticeably higher than the other and also a different shape.

If you cover her eyes the rest of her face is beautiful (which may be why she looks better with heavy eye makeup as it disguises the oddness of her eyes.)”

Yep agree with this. Jade has a bit of an odd face, a strange mouth, and an odd shaped head. Far from beautiful. I am not surprised that she was not anywhere near the top in the most attractive girl in the house poll.
Seveneyes
20-05-2015
LMAO

And proof once again it's a bunch of bitter spiteful fools doin the voting..
fifitrixibelle
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“The problem with all of that is that Jade is obviously beautiful. The idea that she is "not in the least bit pretty" is odd, to say the least.

It's very common, however, for people to say a beautiful woman they dislike isn't beautiful. I have seen it many times. It doesn't always happen, but it is very common. People who say it may even genuinely believe the woman isn't beautiful; but that doesn't make them right.

It's not true that the public don't think she's beautiful. The public have not been asked, and people who vote in one of the BB app polls can have a variety of different motives, as we've discussed in this thread.”

But you are insisting your view on 'beauty' is the only one.....why not take it as read that not everyone share's what you perceive as beautiful......I don't think she's in the least bit beautiful...I wouldn't even say she was pretty,,and I'm stumped as to how both she and other's could consider that she is anything but average at best, but that's life, it doesn't make either view right or wrong or not 'genuine'.
Seveneyes
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
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It's very common, however, for people to say a beautiful woman they dislike isn't beautiful. I have seen it many times. It doesn't always happen, but it is very common. .”

All that needs to be said.
Steph_Cuckow
20-05-2015
Maybe it's because she has a nicer personality and no ego. She is real and like possibly 90% of all ladies
Veri
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Jane_Lee3:
“That is your opinion, and my opinion is that Jade is not pretty at all. IMO, she has a weird mouth, and a weird shaped head. Not in the least bit pretty IMO. Let alone obviously beautiful. And it is nothing to do with liking her or not, as I am indifferent to her. She is NOT pretty. (IMO.)

I find it odd (to say the least!) that you think someone's opinion is odd because it doesn't coincide with yours. ”

I don't think it's odd because it doesn't coincide with my opinion. I think it's odd because it doesn't fit how she looks.

You think she is vain and conceited and full of herself. That sounds an awful lot like you don't like her, rather than merely being indifferent. And the main reason you think she is vain etc seems to be that she believes she's beautiful and you don't.

But why should your opinion matter there? She doesn't know what your opinion is, and she is beautiful by the usual standards today, she works as a model because of her looks, and she's treated as beautiful in that work. I'm pretty sure that most people react to her as to someone beautiful and that in a poll of people who weren't watching BB 16, she would rate highly for looks.

Her "crime" is that she's aware that she's considered beautiful and doesn't disguise that awareness with self-deprecation.
Seveneyes
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by Steph_Cuckow:
“Maybe it's because she has a nicer personality and no ego. She is real and like possibly 90% of all ladies”

Maybe,but none of that makes her better looking.
Scarlett Berry
20-05-2015
I positively loathed Helen Wood with a passion (still do) but I am fair enough to say I thought she was a good looking woman....shame about the attitude though.

As for those in the house...Jade, Adjoa and Sarah are very nice looking women.

The rest are okay too but certainly not what I personally would consider stunning...Harriet...second in a poll on attractiveness....give me a break
Veri
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by keeping_it_real:
“I don't think she is though I do wonder if she has 'something' that doesn't come across well on TV for the others to all have assumed she would be voted most attractive.”

Well, Jade didn't assume she'd be voted most attractive. She thought Amy would be.

Quote:
“If beauty is symmetry (and studies show that the more symmetrical a face the more it is perceived to be beautiful) then Jade isn't. She made a big deal about one eyebrow being higher than the other but in fact one eye is a good half inch higher than the other and also a different shape.

If you cover her eyes the rest of her face may be beautiful (which may be why she looks better with heavy eye makeup as it disguises the oddness of her eyes.)”

I don't think her eyes are anywhere near as odd as you're saying.

Anyway, symmetry is a factor, rather than the whole story. (Otherwise, we'd just talk about how symmetric people were).
ForGodsSake
20-05-2015
Jade and the twins are vain which, to me, takes away some of their "good looks".
Scarlett Berry
20-05-2015
Originally Posted by keeping_it_real:
“I don't think she is though I do wonder if she has 'something' that doesn't come across well on TV for the others to all have assumed she would be voted most attractive.

If beauty is symmetry (and studies show that the more symmetrical a face the more it is perceived to be beautiful) then Jade isn't. She made a big deal about one eyebrow being higher than the other but in fact one eye is a good half inch higher than the other and also a different shape.

If you cover her eyes the rest of her face may be beautiful (which may be why she looks better with heavy eye makeup as it disguises the oddness of her eyes.)”

Sophia Loren one of the greatest acknowledged beauties of all time had an asymmetrical face with over large features. I find Jades' looks, whilst no where near La Loren.. does have ( for me at least) that old fashioned Hollywood look about her A fascinating face which I find quite stunning.
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