And ill bet no model agency has ever used that as a factor...for good reason.

No.. You perceive her to be 'obviously beautiful.'

Some other viewers don't.

I'm not insisting (or even saying) that my view on 'beauty' (why the quotes?) is the only one. But, unlike (it seems) people who believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I distinguish between all of the following.

1. How beautiful someone is.

2. How beautiful someone is according to the currently prevailing 'standards' in some time and place (such as the UK, now).

3. How much someone's looks appeal to me personally.

I can have an opinion on (1) and (2), but that opinion is still distinct from (3).

If we were discussing how intelligent HMs were, I don't think people would be making the sort of accusation you've making there. They wouldn't be saying things like "not everyone share's what you perceive as intelligent". I think beauty and intelligence are in quite similar 'boats'.

I don't "perceive her to be 'obviously beautiful'". How would that even work?

You made that statement in your post. So clearly, that is how you perceive Jade?

And I would agree with you she isn't full on obvious beauty,but in the fashion/modelling world she has that blank slate beauty that they LOVE,they can manipulate her (more than any other housemate) to look beautiful and DIFFERENT in nearly every shoot,to me Sarah is more obviously beautiful but it's only going to be one 'look' more or less...Jade has endless possibilities, she would get the gig EVERY time...

I used to love ANTM

Where did I supposedly make the statement that I perceive her to be obviously beautiful?

What would that even mean?

OK Veri - I'm gonna opt out with you.

Agreed -Jade is perceived by SOME people in the fashion/modeling industry as an 'obvious beauty' and by SOME viewers/posters as 'obviously beautiful.'

However, it's equally the case, that Jade is NOT perceived by SOME people in the fashion/modeling industry as an 'obvious beauty;' and NOT perceived by SOME viewers/posters as 'obviously beautiful.'

What is ANTM?

America's Next Top Model

But I don't think youve quite grasped what I tried to explain, no matter

I've been racking my brain trying to work out who they remind me of. And it's Skylar (Anna Gunn) from Breaking Bad, precisely because of the jaw. These arent the best pics but see what I mean?

https://postmediaprovince.files.word...a_gunn-web.jpg

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20150407000738

Brilliant.

Agh - thanks for the explanation.

Full of head-cold....so you MAY be right!

No they don't they vote on who they like and don't like mainly. Saying fu** you to the actual question in front of them lol

Haha...YES Skylar!!
How didn't I see it before?? Nice one Scarlet

Orr ...hope your feeling better soon

Lemsips,brandy a bowl of steaming hot water and a towel...get your head in the steam

1 + 3 are other way's of saying that beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder ....not sure why you insist Jade being 'obviously beautiful' is a fact because she meets your criteria..she isn't to me...small, uneven eyes and a rather 'weak' face is what I see.....clearly you see something else, Adjoa has those and that is why I find her beautiful.

I would agree with "cute" being an apt term. That doesn't quite compensate for her personality which I find less appealing.

Ah, so they do! Love Breaking Bad! Great spot

Oh yes you're right I never did think Skylar was particularly good looking which might explain why the twins don't appeal to me.

As for Jade being a model, as odd as it sounds, models aren't always classically beautiful and maybe not attractive at all in many ways. I think Jade like Kate Moss is sexy rather than classically beautiful. I do maintain that Adjoa is classically beautiful and I also maintain that those who voted refused to acknowledge Adjoa's beauty because she has been cast as the villain despite her not doing anything particularly villainous

It's only the 'beauty' in (3) that's in the eye of the individual beholder. When people say beauty's in the eye of the beholder these days, they're not talking about a 'standard' (so to speak) that was different historically or in different cultures; they're making beauty be a matter of each individual's own, personal reaction. That makes it different from (2). And in (1) the beauty is independent even of cultural or historical 'standards'. (Many people would reject the idea that there is any way for beauty to be that 'objective'; but even if the idea is rejected, it's still a different idea from (2) or (3).)

If my earlier post wasn't clear on what I meant in (1), I hope this post makes it clearer. I thought that saying I think beauty and intelligence were in quite similar 'boats' would help make things clearer, but perhaps not.

Anyway, I didn't insist or say anything was a fact or say anything about any personal criteria of my own I might have.

It seems to me that most people can, if they want, distinguish between how attractive or appealing they personally find someone's looks and whether the person is beautiful, even if they sometimes use the word "beautiful" in both cases. None of the women in this BB have looks that appeal very much to me.

Kate Moss isn't classically beautiful, but she didn't have typical model looks either. She's so successful for so long that it's partly redefined what models look like (and what people think of as a model look). There used to be talk of Kate Moss bringing in a "new ideal of beauty".

I don't like Harriet's eyes, they are not attractive in the slightest.