Black housemate gets evicted = Viewers are racist

Enlighten me. If the viewers/voters of BB are racist, explain how Deana, Gina and Makosi all reached their respective final. Shouldn't they have been evicted a long time ago? Also, if the UK is racist, how did Alexandra Burke and Leona Lewis get voted winners of the same reality shows?

So let me get this straight? Disliking a black housemate due to their personality is racist? Let's flip it. Disliking a white housemate due to their behaviour in the house is racist?

Well, what is it?

Have you not read the other threads covering the same subject ?

It's nonsense, that's what it is. obviously there are a small minority of the usual bigots and ignorant idiots, in my and my black gf experience the UK is not as racist as some other european countries.
I'll give you an example if you like while I was working in France I became friendly with another worker called Granit. He was from Kosovo and we became very good friends to the point he asked my gf and I to come and stay with his family, at this point he didn't know my gf was black. Then one day she turned up and break time because I had forgotten part of my lunch, he wouldn't look at her and hardly spoke, much later in the day he told me under no circumstances should I take her to Kosovo, if I go I go alone or, not at all, this was for my/our own safety. The attitude in that place is easily 50-60 years behind the UK, they stare and laugh and even point, to my knowledge there are no black people in that country. In my opinion the UK is a great place to live for all races colours and creeds.

Obama is a black president but it doesn't mean racism isn't alive and kicking in the US.

Picking a couple of exceptions to the rule, doesn't invalidate it as an argument.

I strongly suggest you educate yourself OP. You could start by reading the 13 page thread on the same subject.

It totally exists in the USA I've seen it with my own eyes, I could tell you several stories of racism I have seen first hand in the USA it's alive and kicking, however I am sick to the back teeth of this subject and I prefer not to debate/argue anymore because I believe the UK to be a very tolerant place, especially when i compare it to other places I have been.

I didn't come to DS for this so I won't be posting on this subject anymore, it normally becomes like trying to push sand uphill with your hands.

I'm dreading when Kieran eventually gets evicted!

In fact, isn't BB 'racist' for only having 2 black HMs?

how much of the population do blacks make up?

I was being facetious.

There is a ton of projection going on here.

Every time a black HM gets evicted, race gets brought into the equation by someone.

Yes, there is racism in society & yes, some of the people who voted out Adjoa might have been racist, but I struggle to believe that in this day & age, her race was the sole motivation for people to vote her out.

This is going to happen all over again when Kieran goes, unless he wins, then someone might say he only won because he was black!

damned if you do damned if you don't

Some people need to grow up.

Of COURSE Adjoa getting evicted was nothing to do with her colour; only people trying to cause trouble are saying this.

And it's mostly whingey, limp-wristed politically correct lefties who try and find something in EVERY situation to cry 'racism' or 'homophobia' who say it!

and it's Bleeding Heart idiots like that that caused the most trouble

Agree. This childish and petty 'it's coz she is black' brigade cause as much racial disharmony as anyone who IS racist!

I agree that the UK is a comparatively more tolerant place, but that still doesnt mean that racism doesnt exist here and that it can't be a factor last night. And by factor I mean a thing that consciously or otherwise nudges perception, along with gender, looks, class and in Adjoa's case a very overt sexuality (acceptable in white male HMs for the most part). This melting pot of ingredients is IMO why the "such and such is black and he won" doesn't really work. It's too binary.

Im not saying the following to you BTW, as I respect your intent not to post on this any more. But i do want to speak generally...

The annual British Social Attitudes survey reveals 30% of respondents describe themselves as having some prejudice. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ise-in-britain

Attitudes to same sex relationships continue to improve, showing we've become more liberal, but racial prejudice is trending upwards, particularly in ecomomically deprived areas.

Another survey revealed that workplace inequality has grown in the last decade, despite ethnic minorities outperforming white counterparts in education.

A recent Guardian survey of young people (can't find link) showed that while 60% think racism is wrong, they went on to reveal bigoted attitudes to other questions, highlighting that certainly with young people there's no longer an understanding of what racism actually is.

Not that she was evicted, but the reaction yes. Then someone like Sarah who's said worse gets cheered...

I wouldn't try to argue race is "the sole motivation". But many are arguing on the forum that a combination of factors, some overt, some unconscious, are often at play. We know women get a harder time on BB, for example. And particularly attractive women (unless they're very 'non threatening'), so why can't race also be a contributory factor? Something that makes a crowd less inclined to cut her slack for 'sins' we've seen other HMs get away with (and worse).

I don't quite understand the tendency for some people (not you necessarily) to scream blue bloody murder when "racism" is mentioned. The hostility and defensiveness is odd.

This all sounds right to me, Its good to see someone addressing the issue respectively.

I think everyone is voted out based on a prejudice against that person, could be prejudice against attitude, lifestyle, language, superiority etc and a combination of other things attached to their over-riding flaw. We will all admit and accept every other prejudice as a deciding factor in the persons eviction, but when 3 people are up, all of whom have a deep flaw, it does make you wonder why it had to be the black person who left and got chanted at viciously when she hadn't done much wrong at all compared to the 'attitude and superiority' displayed by Sarah, the white person, who got mixed cheers, from the seemingly Jeremy Kyle audience she believes are inferior,

Prejudice is not always wrong, racism is, there was obviously another factor in Adjoa getting such a bad reaction, either her colour or her lesbianism.

Good post.

Put like this, it's difficult to argue against.

All I can say is that there are a lot of black people worldwide who are starting to look beyond the horseshit that is fed to us. That race is never a factor and that any expression of an opinion that it is or even could be must be stamped on and shut down immediately. Goalposts are moved, bar are raised and suddenly you have to prove your perceptions to a criminal standard of proof. It's horseshit and we're starting to move beyond it.

We don't have hidden cameras towards people's feelings and subconscious but we aren't idiots. We perceive things in differing situations. We know how racist feelings manifest themselves because guess what? WE POSSESS RACIST AND PREJUDICIAL FEELINGS OURSELVES! So when we recognise the reactions in others and know where it comes from but then you tell us that we don't know and can't possibly have an opinion on it we file it under horseshit. You can tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about as if racism and racist discrimination is the sole preserve of white people but WE KNOW.

I would say be sincere, stop lying to yourself and be honest but to be frank I've stopped caring. I just want my fellow black people to stop being bamboozled. Things like this and the slew of negative media articles involving black people, are telling you that you are generally not considered as equals in this society.

Maybe not everybody shares that view but in general you WILL have higher obstacles in life and you WILL be judged more harshly. And this isn't just perception, it is quantifiable studies and experiments. You have to try harder, work harder and work to become self-sufficient. They'll tell you that you're starting the race in the same position but know this: your lane is covered in treacle.

Racism is a two way thing, I fostered a disabled West Indian Girl, The insults that were thrown at me by black strangers was appalling, far worse and more than by the white population. As far as my husband and I were concerned, she was a little girl who needed our help an her colour didn't matter. Social workers tried for three years to find her a black family and no one came forward, so she stayed with us for 23 years until she passed away. After her mother passed away we got a residence order for her.

I hope this thread doesn't get locked like two others debating the issue have.

I think racism is an 'all way' thing. All over the world, in every form, eg right now in South East Asia, where the Rohingya people ("the world's most persecuted minority") are experiencing terrible injustice and discrimination.

It's in the human psyche to form our view of ourself and the groups we belong to by comparison with others, so it doesnt surprise me that wherever there's poverty, injustice or a perceived decline in or threat to anything that was valued, someone 'Other' needs to be blamed, even if it's illogical.

Exceptions to the rule do not prove your point. I think people underestimate how complex Racism can be. It is possible to like certain people of colour and still feel prejudiced towards racial groups.

President and White Slave owner Thomas Jefferson had a long-term romantic relationship with one of his slaves, he still owned black people as if they were livestock. Does it mean that because he 'loved' one of his black slaves his racist tendencies are automatically negated?

If a someone automatically dislikes a white person for just being white then they are certainly prejudice.

S/N: I think we were going to have to find a new word/term that adequately describes discrimination backed by institutional powers/privilege that people of colour face. The discrimination that certain people face is entirely different to what others have to endure especially concerning the power and privilege element.

Raceism is not always to do with ones colour, again I have first hand experience of this, where I worked in France there were 50 employed including me I was the only Englishman there. The majority of work mates were fine with me but there was one who really stood out from the rest. For those who have never been to France you have to know something first, when you meet someone in France for the first time that day, you shake hands, this happens every day to all work colleagues workers and bosses alike ( I could go into the traditions behind it but that's another post ) every day, even if their nose is streaming and they are full of cold, it's rude not to. There was one worker who would do anything and everything to avoid me, because he hated me, I was told by workmates oh take no notice he's odd, but I later found out he was a raging racist passed down to him from his Dad who had been known to spit in the face of English people. I later found out that his Grandad was in the French navy and The French fleet in Toulon was scuttled on 27 November 1942 to avoid capture by Nazi German forces by the British, even though they were asked, begged to sail to Britain they refused, that day, from what I could gather his grandad was a casualty
So this event that took place in 1942 over 70 years ago was enough for someone to hate me because of my race. The mind boggles doesn't it.

But English or French is a nationality ,not a race. Isn't what your describing considered 'Xenophobia'?

Xenophobia: dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=xe...bia+definition