That counts as 'going to him' apparently, and it's a very bad thing indeed.

I agree with you. Marc was given a golden opportunity, and he just pissed it down the toilet.
What an idiot.
That must be the most boneheaded gameplay I've seen from somebody in such a privileged position for a very long time.

I'm actually wondering how much I can trust what Marc says when he speaks of having a strategy, if when in the position he was in he didn't nominate Jack or Danny.
I think he might even want to be in with them and be in the gang as he sees it as the strongest position to be in as they seem to be the strongest group in there as far as numbers go.
I don't know, because he also seems to have Joel and Nick onside. So why allow Jade to be nominated if she would be so valuable when it comes to attaining numbers? You'd think he'd need her wouldn't you?

So lets say he just wanted Harry out. To what end? What strategic advantage would that give him?

I don't know, maybe he is just still doing whatever BB are wanting him to do.

They seem to be trying to create two groups fighting each other. I'd personally find it more interesting if a third group was allowed to form by itself. Or just simply people being people who don't feel pressurised to be in any particular gang. It's getting a bit too cookie cutter formula BB for my liking. It's getting quite tiring seeing BB trying to coax people getting into one of either two tribes. I really might start drifting away from the show and stop watching depending on what direction things go in.

If Jade was getting crucified on BOTS last night, which she apparently was but I didn't watch it, then that is a bad sign for me. Because I hate the misogynism of this show when it predictably rears its ugly head.

I'd feel a sense of justice.
I don't deny that Jade may have been flirty, but is that wrong? It's the sheer malice and venom which Cristian is displaying towards her which has appeared out of nothing and is quite inexplicable which I think easily trumps anything which Jade or Harry may have or may not have done.
It's just the unpleasantness in the attack on someone which is designed to cause harm and hurt. I can't forgive that, it's unnecessary. What has she done to him that deserves that, and all of a sudden out of nowhere?

That's what I thought. I was reminded of The X Factor when the votes are two apiece and the judges have to go the the viewers vote.

In this case if Marc had voted Sam too, they would have to come to a consensus and would have probably agreed that they should all choose a different housemate other than Sam and Jade.

On a sidenote, I have to say that I think Jade has made a serious mistake with Brian.
I think he's a liar and I don't trust him at all. He will bring her down, I don't believe he's being genuine with her. All this crap about Brian needing protecting from her makes me sick to my stomach.
I predict that if Jade survives tonight, which hopefully she will, Brian will still pull some stunt which will make Jade look bad. At some point when he's bored of her he'll probably cry that she's left him alone and she's spending too much time with Nick or something.
Something like that is going to happen anyway in my opinion, and then all this exaggerated Jade going from man to man stuff will probably crop up again and it will look like real evidence this time just because it's lovable defenceless Brian.

All speculation on my part of course, but I don't trust him, and I hate using the term but he is 'fake'. I don't like him because I genuinely think that he's ruthless and couldn't care less about who he damages as long as he's all right having fun with the lads.
I know I went a bit ranty there, but with Brian it really irks me how so many people can't see behind his contrived persona and how calculating he is. Even when he's doing it right in front of people's faces plotting gameplans with Danny.
I know I'm in a minority, but there you go.

As for the way people perceive people in the show, I think Jade has been set up by BB to be the scarlet woman archetype. I think if not this week, then in some later week, BB will play it up, and it won't be pretty viewing on BOTS. This week has probably been a practice run.
Which will make it extremely difficult for her in terms of the how well she does in the series.

Anyway, my belief is that Brian WILL damage Jade. But it has to be said that she herself has made a careless mistake. In my opinion of course.

I don't think Marc came into BB with a strategy to win. It was just a strategy to make a large splash. Make a name for himself by stirring up the house and then leaving in blaze of glory after a few weeks.

His idea in the bunker was to split up the cozy groups on the basis that all the lovey dovey friendship stuff was detrimental to the entertainment factor and he saw his mission purely to provide entertainment.

Clearly his tactics are not designed to avoid nomination. They are almost guaranteed to get him nominated. Avoiding nomination is not his gameplay and never was.

It's almost as if Marc allowed himself to be played isn't it?

He must know full well how this nomination came about, and about how this group he was supposed to be strategically playing against affected the nomination. Yet he just let it happen. Which makes me extremely suspicious about who he says he's playing against.

Hope you've all voted to evict Cristian guys. Jades odds are shortening to be evicted, which isn't ideal :S

But that's what I have trouble with.
What he seems to have done doesn't appear to uphold that strategy.
I don't see how the nominations have any affect on that unless I'm missing something.
He's even said he would like to be mates with Danny, which raises an eyebrow.
By allowing the latest nomination of Jade he seems to be helping the very group who he claims he's trying to split up.

They're about the same aren't they?
http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/big-brother/next-eviction

I think the big concern is if Harry's odds start to drift and it becomes a head to head eviction with Cristian and Jade, which is very scary. I don't want that to happen.

Chloe and Cristian, I think, were in the group he wanted to split up and Harry was personal. I'm quite sure he didn't want Jade up. He was agreeing with the Sam option who had started being cozy with those guys.

I really think he was just too demoralised by the ex-housemates telling him he had fallen from grace that he just wanted no part of the decision, regardless of any former tactics.

They drifted out earlier, but have come back in. With Ladrbookes she's now the second favourite to be evicted, ahead of Harry!

Judging my spoilers for tonight, it's going to be a terrible show for Jade with the word "whore" being thrown around. Cristian looks like he's getting a positive edit.

Please everyone here, we NEED to EVICT Cristian! Don't not vote because you feel the show is fixed, this is the only part of the show we have any say over these days!

A guy calling a girl a whore tends to go against the guy, I would have thought! I would hope so anyway.

Still, I have never liked Cristian so I am more than happy to vote him out.

Not when the majority of viewers are female, sadly. Im worried

I know the theory is that females tend to dislike females more than males but, even so, wouldn't a male being aggressive towards a female not tend to generate sympathy for the female and anger towards the male?

We shall see, I guess...

Hazel vs Daley - Hazel became more hated.

But, I'm not so sure Jade is as safe as most on the main forum think :S

Vote as many times as you can afford to because Cristian fans will deffo vote multiple times to evict Jade . it doesn't matter who goes as long as it is not Jade , its going to be very close so even few votes may swing it

Yes its the multiple voters who will decide it , if it was just one person one vote like the polls then Jade would be safe ,

Keep voting. It's not unusual for it all to turn around at the last minute these days.

if YOU DON'T VOTE FOR HARRY JADE IS GOING LOTS OF BETS HAVE BEEN PLACED ON JADE TODAY. GIRLS WILL KEEP CRISTIAN IN JUST LOOK AT TWITTER FOR CONFIRMATION

Going by the bookies odds Jade may be the third favourite to leave, but the odds are so close it looks like any of those three could go.

However it's also bearing mind that the bookies aren't the polls, and the polls reflect things quite differently. You have to not take the bookies as gospel, as I often find myself in the habit of doing.

I'm pretty sure Jade is going. She's increasing in all the relevant polls, there seems to be a strong hate for her amongst a minority of people on twitter - mainly teenage girls. I have a terrible feeling, the same one I did when Helen won!

What happened to that apparent 90% support on Twitter last night?

Well if she goes I'll be very disappointed as it'll be down to tittle tattle and gossip and a nasty vendetta against her.
The morality on this show is all screwed up.

I agree. But if she goes, one reason will be that no HM defends her. Marc was repeating the "goes from guy to guy" line in one of his DR sessions in last night's show. Is there any HM (other than Jade) who questions that at all?

Anyway, I won't be watching tonight, but I've voted, and I'll probably check the forum later tonight to see who went.

Best of luck to Jade.

Oh no! Those boos!
Vote Cristian guys!