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Old 23-05-2015, 22:25
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Is this the reason he hates Lauren Dingle so much. It would explain why he was so evil in his earlier days. Chas doesn't seem as damaged at all.

Shadrach and even Zac Dingle have never seemed the violent type?
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Old 24-05-2015, 07:18
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Is this the reason he hates Lauren Dingle so much. It would explain why he was so evil in his earlier days. Chas doesn't seem as damaged at all.

Shadrach and even Zac Dingle have never seemed the violent type?
It was an interesting insight into Cain 's character. I don't like the Dingle's, but you never get bored with them.

By the way. I always thought that Shadrach looked just like the lion in The Wizard of Oz.
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Old 24-05-2015, 09:11
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It was an interesting insight into Cain 's character. I don't like the Dingle's, but you never get bored with them.

By the way. I always thought that Shadrach looked just like the lion in The Wizard of Oz.
spot on about the wizard of oz thing, Shadrach is the spitting image of the cowardly lion, by the way wasn't Shadrach Ginny's father too, or am l wrong
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Old 24-05-2015, 10:34
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Shadrach was Ginny and Chas's dad but Zak is Cains dad.
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Old 24-05-2015, 10:59
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Odd that Cain has suddenly come up with this when there was never a mention before.
Has anyone told Chas? She definitely didn't know about it or she'd have told Gennie and wouldn't have tried to look out for Shadrach as she did.
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Old 24-05-2015, 12:14
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Odd that Cain has suddenly come up with this when there was never a mention before.
Has anyone told Chas? She definitely didn't know about it or she'd have told Gennie and wouldn't have tried to look out for Shadrach as she did.
It has in the past which is why they never understood why he was so nice to Aaron Livesy and Gennie Sharma. He really seemed to like them.
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Old 24-05-2015, 13:50
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spot on about the wizard of oz thing, Shadrach is the spitting image of the cowardly lion, by the way wasn't Shadrach Ginny's father too, or am l wrong
That is right, Gennie was adopted by Brenda who was horrified when she saw the Dingle's place. I loved Gennie, she was so ordinary and nice.
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Old 24-05-2015, 17:26
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Cain doesnt even bother with Kyle. He only fawns over Debbie Dingle because she is Charity Maceys daughter.
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Old 24-05-2015, 17:28
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Cain doesnt even bother with Kyle. He only fawns over Debbie Dingle because she is Charity Maceys daughter.
Kyle's returning
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Old 24-05-2015, 17:29
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Odd that Cain has suddenly come up with this when there was never a mention before.
Has anyone told Chas? She definitely didn't know about it or she'd have told Gennie and wouldn't have tried to look out for Shadrach as she did.
Was it not fairly obvious? Shadrach was hardly going to have been a great Dad. At the best there would have been serious neglect and at the worst physical or sexual abuse. Chas might not have been physically abused as she was a girl, so he's less likely to regularly beat her, but she would still have to live with the fear of violence and the lack of safety and security.She's a neurotic insecure person but she could have been a lot worse. I suspect that Chas also saw the good in her father and felt protective and loyal. I wouldnt mind betting that Shadrach lavished a lot of affection on her, which he wouldn't do with Cain.

To me it was no surprise that Cain had suffered a lot of violence at the hands of his alcoholic father. I know people who were married to or dragged up by alcoholics and it all rings very true. Then even as recently as the 90s there was still a culture of keeping problems behind closed doors and dealing with them in the family.

Where was the mother in all of this? Did she have to leave because if violence? It would be interesting to hear more about it, but I doubt we will because Cain and Chas are not really keen on examining their feelings in great depth. It's taken us 15 years and a crisis to get that snippet to confirm our suspicions.
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Old 24-05-2015, 18:41
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I wonder if Shadrach knew or suspected that Cain wasn't his? That might also contribute to him being harder on Cain, who'd be a daily reminder of his wife cheating?

You can see that Chas would have been his little girl, the apple of his eye, who was kind and looked after him, while Cain would have been the one who was difficult, played up and resented him so in his eyes 'provoked him.' How sad for all concerned really.
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Old 24-05-2015, 19:09
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Was it not fairly obvious? Shadrach was hardly going to have been a great Dad. At the best there would have been serious neglect and at the worst physical or sexual abuse. Chas might not have been physically abused as she was a girl, so he's less likely to regularly beat her, but she would still have to live with the fear of violence and the lack of safety and security.She's a neurotic insecure person but she could have been a lot worse. I suspect that Chas also saw the good in her father and felt protective and loyal. I wouldnt mind betting that Shadrach lavished a lot of affection on her, which he wouldn't do with Cain.

To me it was no surprise that Cain had suffered a lot of violence at the hands of his alcoholic father. I know people who were married to or dragged up by alcoholics and it all rings very true. Then even as recently as the 90s there was still a culture of keeping problems behind closed doors and dealing with them in the family.

Where was the mother in all of this? Did she have to leave because if violence? It would be interesting to hear more about it, but I doubt we will because Cain and Chas are not really keen on examining their feelings in great depth. It's taken us 15 years and a crisis to get that snippet to confirm our suspicions.
No she didn't. Cain and Chas both hated her. They didn't hate Shadrach.
When she turned up in 2004 they would have nothing to do with her and Cain wouldn't even let her see Debbie.
Violent Shadrach is complete conjecture, not fact. Nowhere in the various very reliable Emmerdale history sites is that ever mentioned. The worst he did was to once steal money from Chas, but he eventually paid it back.
It was Shadrach that got Hamish for Belle, Xmas Day 2004.
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Old 24-05-2015, 19:35
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No she didn't. Cain and Chas both hated her. They didn't hate Shadrach.
When she turned up in 2004 they would have nothing to do with her and Cain wouldn't even let her see Debbie.
Violent Shadrach is complete conjecture, not fact. Nowhere in the various very reliable Emmerdale history sites is that ever mentioned. The worst he did was to once steal money from Chas, but he eventually paid it back.
It was Shadrach that got Hamish for Belle, Xmas Day 2004.
Do the kids of alcoholics or drug addicts not often have neglect at best, abuse at worst? That's why they get put on 'at risk' registers these days. Not in every case Im sure, but it'spretty common, and you can't blame the writers for assuming we would understand that. Even mental health problems can have a terrible impact on kids. To me, you only had to look at Shadrach to know that however much he loved his kids he would have given them a really difficult childhood.

Someone who has been violent to their kids is not necessarily evil. If he was fond of Belle why wouldn't he give her a present? At heart he was a kind man, that's why, as Cain stated, he felt remorse. I think it's much more realistic that they didn't spell it out, and never talked about (reven now it's been referred to and brushed over by the family).

Cain had very mixed feelings about Shadrach as was clear when Shadrach died. Even though he outwardly showed contempt and dislike, Shadrach was still 'Dad.' I never thought at aby point they had a good relationship though.
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Old 24-05-2015, 19:43
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Living with a parent that has depression is destroying.
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Old 24-05-2015, 20:06
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Living with a parent that has depression is destroying.
I agree. I grew up with one with mental health problems, too, and he in turn had a very violent father and a mum who was committed. I have a mental health illness. Im a nice person, but Im sure my health problem would affect my children if I had any, as my Dad's did, although I'm the only one to actually be ill (it's quite likely that my condition is genetic but also exacerbated by things that have happened). Like Chas I don't blame my Dad, I understand, sympathise, love and respect him, but I suspect if Id been a boy he would have been much harder on me. My mother often said if they'd had a son he would have turned into a criminal.
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Old 24-05-2015, 20:08
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I agree. I grew up with one with mental health problems, too, and he in turn had a very violent father and a mum who was committed. I have a mental health illness. Im a nice person, but Im sure my health problem would affect my children as my Dad's did, although I'm the only one to actually be ill (it's quite likely that my condition is genetic but also exacerbated by things that have happened). Like Chas I don't blame my Dad, I understand, sympathise, love and respect him, but I suspect if Id been a boy he would have been much harder on me. My mother often said if they'd had a son he would have turned into a criminal.
Sorry to hear that. I dont have much respect for social services.
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Old 24-05-2015, 20:24
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Sorry to hear that. I dont have much respect for social services.
I just think it was a different generation, with different attitudes. My poor Dad needed help but wouldnt have been able to seek it as I can, which is a shame because it had a massive effect on his life. Luckily things have come on in leaps and bounds in the past 20 or so years. I've actually had a lot of support recently from the mental health team in our social services so I have a lot of time for them but they're massively overworked I reckon.

Like I say, Im the same age as Cain, and stuff like that just wasn't talked about when we were kids. I can't even think who Cain would have turned to - obviously the doctor picked up on something but was as much use as a chocolate fireguard. I bet he told him not to provoke his Dad
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Old 24-05-2015, 20:37
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I just think it was a different generation, with different attitudes. My poor Dad needed help but wouldnt have been able to seek it as I can, which is a shame because it had a massive effect on his life. Luckily things have come on in leaps and bounds in the past 20 or so years. I've actually had a lot of support recently from the mental health team in our social services so I have a lot of time for them but they're massively overworked I reckon.

Like I say, Im the same age as Cain, and stuff like that just wasn't talked about when we were kids. I can't even think who Cain would have turned to - obviously the doctor picked up on something but was as much use as a chocolate fireguard. I bet he told him not to provoke his Dad
Didnt Zak help?
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Old 24-05-2015, 20:41
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Like I already said, but it was ignored, it wasn't Shadrach that abused them it was their mother. KO has twisted it - due to her complete ignorance of Emmerdale history and not caring enough to research.
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Old 24-05-2015, 20:59
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Like I already said, but it was ignored, it wasn't Shadrach that abused them it was their mother. KO has twisted it - due to her complete ignorance of Emmerdale history and not caring enough to research.
Shadrach hit Cain a fair few times and treated him like an irratant.
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Old 24-05-2015, 21:25
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Shadrach hit Cain a fair few times and treated him like an irratant.
I don't remember seeing that but Cain probably deserved it. We never saw Cain as a child. He arrived on screen for Butch's funeral - with Shadrach.
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Old 24-05-2015, 21:29
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I don't remember seeing that but Cain probably deserved it.
The backstory and Cain has mentioned way back to Shadrachs face about his drinking and how he beat him.

Kate Oates hasnt changed anything at all.
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Old 24-05-2015, 21:40
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That must be mentioned in programme synopses then. Can you post a link please?
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Old 24-05-2015, 21:53
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That must be mentioned in programme synopses then. Can you post a link please?
Cant be bothered. Google it pal.
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Old 24-05-2015, 22:03
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I don't need to, I know I won't find it and rudeness is not necessary.
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