A 'superior knowledge' - About something subjective?

How do you manage that then?

Personally, I think Jade is FAR too pleased with herself.

With it, presumably?

Lucky for us that we peasants have enough words.

I was mildly amused by Jade until she started to grope Cristian under his clothes, while saying she was "tickling his tummy". What would happen if Jack had done that to a Twin? Cries of "call the poleeeeece"????????

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I personally think that without make up Jade is actually quite plain.

It would be very arrogant of her to say she was beautiful in any situation, but the fact remains she isn't that beautiful, so she's a liar as well as arrogant.

I think she is beautiful, really quite stunning in fact. Good the girl has confidence...besides I take their vt's with a pinch of salt.

With makeup she is decent looking, but without makeup she looks quite old and plain.

But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, we all have our own opinions.

Sure that's right, but objectively at the very least she has the physical attributes of someone that is at the very least attractive. It's grasping at straws and to be frank disingenuous to think of her as ugly or plain.

The rest is just whatever personal bias we have.

Spot on Captain Kipper 😀

The FM I was speaking to clearly from many other posts, expressed a bias in favour of Nick mostly because of his/her's crush on him. Maybe I have a crush on Jade? The point is i'm showing some level of self awareness were they are not. Anyway how are you subjective about objectivity? You have to take a stand at some point otherwise it's just intellectual masturbation.

He had his legs splayed over her?

IF she was talking about her profession ONLY, there'd actually be a way to talk about it.

"People in the industry TELL me I'm beautiful", for example. Or even "I've done pretty well with my looks"--which implies she knows she's marketable but doesn't have the stench of bald-faced self-congratulations. Also, a lot comes from the tone. When she talks about her looks, there's no hint of self-awareness about how it MIGHT sound to other people. It's like it doesn't even occur to her that she might come off as boastful or immodest, and the typical rationale for someone not even thinking that's possible is that they're so wrapped up in themselves they can't contemplate ANY angle from which they're allowed to be criticized.

But all of this pales in comparison to the boosterism of her own morality. If there's one thing that's unforgivable it's the people in the world who overtly label themselves "the good people" and crow about it. No person of true worth EVER does that. Again, someone saying that they do their best to be moral or honest or spiritual is vastly different from baldly proclaiming that you ARE moral or ARE honest or ARE spiritual. Proclaiming your automatic success illustrates the sin of pride quite clearly, if you believe in that kind of thing, I mean.

You are missing the point. She is in a stressful situation, being conceited is her defense mechanism. She isn't perfect, no-one is.

Lighten up Kromm,,,,it's BB and they all sprout bulls*it in their VT;s. Why Jade is being targeted for being confident is just ridiculous

Oh and so what if she thinks she's a good person, would you rather her say she is a rotten biat*ch. The girl was on to a hiding to nothing with that risable vt.

Chloes..was equally as ridiculous..her hatred of posh people and calling girls who were one of the boys as SLAGS.. seems to have been overlooked.

bib what does that mean...boosterism ....of her own morality...

Since when is "not being perfect" some kind of rote defense for acting like an arse?

Is she Adolph Hitler? No. But she's not immune to criticism simply because you've decided to defend her on the basis that "nobody is perfect".

Put it this way: If someone's defense mechanism is being full of themselves, doesn't that speak to other things, like how they think of others around them? You can see an example of this gone wrong quite easily with Jade's "ignorant" ranting, where she insists that her saying that about someone else is "constructive criticism", whereas she certainly doesn't think people criticizing herself is the same. That's part and parcel of being an egotist, and I guess if "nobody being perfect" is a defense, then we might as well let people step all over us all of the time on that basis.

Sorry and I mean no offence, but I need an interpretor

I think that a lot of you are discounting the concept of 'sexiness' from the equation. There are a lot of women who are beautiful in the traditional sense but hold very little sex appeal at all. But some women can appear somewhat average but the way they carry themselves, a little wiggle in the walk, a doe eyed look, a coy but knowing little smile, something that just makes them irresistible. It's an individual thing. Sometimes it's only apparent in the flesh but it sets them above the average titted ice maiden. I'm not saying Jade has it but she's confident in what she has got and I applaud her for that.

Now you're talking. She might not meet the standards of 90% of the population but I find her incredibly attractive. Adjoa on the other hand...my God, now there was a stunningly beautiful girl.

I guess beauty is subjective but I personally think Jade is taking it in the neck for her quite stupid (bb led) vt

We are all capable of a great number of things that are selfish and antisocial. Most people take responsibility for their actions and overcome the impulse. Being manipulative is, by definition, disingenuous and selfish. You don't have to understand complex thought to criticise someone for being manipulative.

As long as she doesn't go I don't care what she looks like, she has presence in that house and is delivering really well at the min, she is the topic on many peoples lips who watch the show so is a good HM to have, I'm glad she is there, hope she survives every eviction.

Hand on heart do not think she is attractive and I'm not sure why so many want to spin there own interpretation of what is attractive onto others
If a poster does not think she is why not accept that?...for me she has uneven and rather piggy eyes and looks rather masculine when she wears that baseball cap...I do see that she has that plain and blank canvas look that a lot of catwalk models have and that you often see on ANTM,,but she is not beautiful imo...Adjoa was and Sarah has beautiful, warm eyes and features.

It's not a healthy confidence she has...it's rather unhealthy and leads her to seem to be unable to function without having a male fawn over her, to have a total inability to consider others as she is so wrapped up in herself, she dismisses other females on sight and is bordering on the unhinged when she talked to Nick about him being the only one she has a 'connection' with and it being them against the world type talk.....I don't blame him for running scared.....having said all that she moved swiftly on to Christian, which was not only inappropriate but all rather cold and clinical......she really doesn't give a thought towards others, only on what she wants.
Maybe she talks as she does because of the industry she's in, a tiny fish in a big and competitive pond... I do think she was rather put out to find the voting BB public did not find her the most attractive or whatever it was and maybe that is why she is as she is in the house...whatever it is, to be that self obsessed and selfish is unattractive.

When a good looking female HM gets the sort of OTT dislike Jade's now getting, it's quite standard to deny she's good looking, as part of denying that she has any positive qualities. They may genuinely believe it too; it's not necessarily disingenuous.

What did she do that is manipulative?

Jade took full responsibility for her actions, she apologised to the people that were willing to listen. She can see that Eileen and the twins have it in for her and is choosing to treat them as if they are air.

The difference is is that the twins and Eileen have chosen to endlessly ruminate about her, she has continued given some levelled criticism in their direction and is continuing with her time in the house.

I didn't say anybody was manipulative. I was responding to the part of your OP that I'd highlighted in bold:


Regardless of how hungry one is, or how intelligent one is, being manipulative is objectionable. If people take offense it has nothing to do with their intelligence or their ability to understand complex thought.