No, Jade expected the twin (Amy?) to win it.


For all we know, Sarah spends 10 minutes every morning talking about how great she looks, and the twins whisper it to each other every night.


She wasn't boastful, and she hasn't had an air of expecting her beauty to be acknowledged by all either. Nor has she come across to me as vain or as expecting adoration and attention.


There's no way of knowing whether Nick's been completely honest or not.


Apart from "pranced" which is just rhetoric, what's supposed to be wrong with it?

She's the poorest game player I've seen on big brother for as long as I can remember. How anyone can interpret that as a sign of intelligence has me giving my head some serious scratching. Her replies and body language during the discussion to clear the air with the twins reminded me of my 8 year old niece.

What makes you think she is playing a game?

I still don't see how she has been manipulative. When has she been disingenuous? Facts not conjecture please.

Gawd. It's a GAMESHOW. None of them have a money tree growing in there garden. There's a big pot of gold to be had.
Or do you still fall for the old "here for the experience" line? lol hahaha.

Jade has said time and time again that she knows she won't win.

Majority of them say that, I can't even remember anyone saying they truly believed they were going to win or that they were going in for the win and nothing else.

I'll say it again, so you still fall for the old "here for the experience" line?

To a degree.

Hmm. Says it all.

The most likely reason most of them say it because it's true. They'd like to win, and will try to, but they don't expect to win and aren't there just for it. The idea that they're really there only for the win makes little sense.


I think that most people who choose BB are interested in the experience, even if that's not all they're interested in.

I think her insecurity is what makes me think her apparent confidence might seem more like arrogance.

I don't think she is that confident in herself in reality.

I think it's quite telling that people also say / think she looks old, even though she doesn't. However, there's no "age is in the eye of the beholder" cliché, so they can use reasoning-by-cliché in that case.

Why does it not make sense? I bet there are some that don't give a flying one about making friends or getting to meet Rylan that only care about the money and exposure that comes from winning and nothing else.

What I initially meant was that Jade saying that she wont win is meaningless and trite and is no reflection of hers or any of them that trot out that line.

Yeah, the more they say it the more chance they have of winning it is more likely the reason.
The end goal for ALL of them is to make as much money out of it as possible. Any life experience / friends they make in the process is purely incidental.
Getting force fed a diet of rice, bread and water on a regular basis and participating in regular heated arguments/mind games is contrary to what the human mind classifies as rewarding behaviors.
I'm sure that after 3 or 4 weeks, not one of them, if there was no financial reward would choose to stay rather than go home and surround themselves with family and friends.

It was clear from the off that Jade would be disliked because of her vanity, some people just don't like vanity or people who are overly confident. Personally I do think Jade is beautiful, as beautiful as Sarah certainly and IMO much moreso than the other women in the house. This is where personal taste/subjectivity comes in to play but I don't think that it can be denied that Jade is vain. Personally I am fine with that, it's not a trait of mine but I think it's healthy to acknowledge your attributes and this is something that we as a society seem to have difficulty with, we don't really applaud success or self confidence in others and we tend to prefer the humble or downtrodden which I think is a shame.

I admire quiet confidence, coupled with genuine modesty. Trouble is it is often gets mistaken for insecurity or false modesty.

FTR i don't think jade is that confident and is actually quite insecure in some ways. As has been said, it's her tone and body language that portrays something other than true confidence.

And how can anyone justify saying she was being manipulative because of hunger. She is the one HM there who can not use that excuse...she's had more to eat and drink than anyone.

I still think her major issues with other HMs started with that...she wasn't even remotely humble or considerate about the luxury food. They gave her the plot of land and the shovel...she dug for all she was worth.

I don't particularly like Jade, but I'm loving all the chaos in the house around her.

Are you saying that your 8 year old niece is a moron ???

If someone proclaims to be something that they are, i think that in general people can accept there self assessment. It only becomes a problem when the self assessment is incorrect. For example, if you're an employee and you proclaim to be the best at what you do in your area of work but you're not, then your colleagues will challenge your statement. If you are, people will generally, silently acknowledge that fact.
Same goes for Jade. She vocally declares to be a beautiful specimen and quite clearly regards it as a valuable asset in her armory when it is quite clear that alot of people do not agree. She puts herself up there and if her proclamations are judged to be incorrect she's going to come up against some pretty strong objections.

Moreover, if you have positive attributes there really should be no need to declare them. Others will see them and likely as not say so.

That's the other issue. It's not particularly endearing blowing your own trumpet, but when said trumpet is out of tune you've got some major criticism heading your way.

To be honest , I don't think any of them are too confident except for the twins because they have each other.

I must admit I feel sorry for jade , there she thought she had someone in Nick who she could trust.

He was in the group who were laughing at Jade'S nominations.
in video probably in tonight's show.

Don't like Nick anymore.

I don't know how to be clearer. I did NOT say that anybody was being manipulative. In fact, YOU did, then proceeded to explain that it was in some way acceptable (due to being at your wit's end, or hungry) and that the less intelligent always criticise the more intelligent for being manipulative on account of their inability to understand complex thought.

Basically, you said that being manipulative is okay, because we all do it when we're stressed, and taking offense is a sign of stupidity. I completely disagree.

[Edit} Perhaps you should look back over my previous posts in this thread. I think you may have confused my responses with somebody else's.

Cute to see I got your back up.