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Old 26-12-2015, 15:18
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I'm not entirely sure that the first Godfather should be a 15 nowadays. There is some pretty strong bloody violence in it - namely, the two scenes that I can say
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(I know that you made this comment ages ago, but I've only just seen this film today)

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Old 30-12-2015, 19:59
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I think The Force Awakens would probably have got a PG if not for...
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Old 30-12-2015, 22:10
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I think the Empire strikes back is a U rating, but I always find the Han Solo Torture scene horrid. Although you don't see anything it's heavily implied by the echo of screams, that he's in a lot of pain.

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Old 31-12-2015, 00:27
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I would imagine Disney asked for a 12A for Force Awakens and it's unlikely the bbfc would give them a lower rating than the one they asked for.

Suspect there might be a fuss over The Revenant getting a 15, it's at the top end.
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Old 31-12-2015, 16:07
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I think The Force Awakens would probably have got a PG if not for...
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Along with that moment, I'd also say that
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struck me as a little too sadistic for PG, but it's definitely at the low end of 12A and I'm not at all expecting this film to represent the average 12A's content. It could easily have been a PG pre-1989.
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Old 31-12-2015, 16:39
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Suspect there might be a fuss over The Revenant getting a 15, it's at the top end.
I haven't seen The Revenant yet, but judging by your opinion, this is yet another reason why I think that an additional 16 is necessary; I don't want them to replace 15 with 16, as 12 to 16 is too big of a gap, but to have it in between like Ireland's cinema system which uses 15A, 16 and 18, with 16 being used for films that are top-end 15s and low-end 18s under the current UK system (on a related note, The Revenant is rated 16 in Ireland). An example I can think of is Gone Girl; I can see why it's a little too strong for a 15 but it's insane that intelligent, mature 16-17 year olds aren't allowed to see it, because its not that strong compared to many other 18s.

It may also be useful to move 15 down to 14 to make the year distribution more even (as 15 and 16 are only one year apart), which would nicely cover the low-end 15s and some of the YA films which are on the borderline between 12A and 15 and ultimately get cut for 12A (e.g Maze Runner) . It could maybe be an advisory 14A to let parents of tweens around 12 make up their own mind if they feel that their child is mature enough.

My proposed system would work like this:
U - same as it currently is.
PG - same as it currently is.
12A - mostly the same as it currently is (with top-end films going to 14A).
14A - top end 12As and milder 15s.
16 - stronger 15s and lower end 18s.
18 - mostly the same as it currently is but with lower-end 18s going to 16.

This may have too many ratings but in my mind, it's a much better way to balance the growing leniency of the current ratings.
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Old 01-01-2016, 03:13
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I think The Force Awakens would probably have got a PG if not for...
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I think the rest of the film is at PG (or U, why the heck not? ) but you could argue the scene with the, well, the unfortunate event is in 12 territory.

The cinema websites had it at 12A months before it was screened for the bbfc, so as mentioned Disney probably asked for 12A.

(There Will Be Blood was given a 12A, then Disney resubmitted it saying they had expected a 15, and were then given it)
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Old 01-01-2016, 15:26
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(There Will Be Blood was given a 12A, then Disney resubmitted it saying they had expected a 15, and were then given it)
Something similar happened with the 2006 remake of the Wicker Man; Lionsgate wanted a 15 instead of the 12A given to it, so they asked the BBFC to see it again and reconsider their decision, but the BBFC stuck with the 12A.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:59
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I've always thought that "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" was quite strong for a PG. For a start, the amount of sexual innuendo in that film, and I suppose the fact that it mixes cartoon characters in it, sort of counts against it for young children. One thing that I have always thought was a very strong and violent scene was
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It was before the 12 certificate though. Although, part of me thinks that it might be one of those films which might have to be uprated in the future. I admit, it's borderline whether it should be a 12 or PG.
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Old 11-01-2016, 16:48
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I've always felt there should be no 18 certificate - only a 16. If a person can have sex/get pregnant, get married, join armed forces, drive, leave home, get a job etc before 18 then they are old enough to watch simulated violence and other strong content.
Yes I've always found it bizarre that you can legally actually have sex with someone at age 16 but you aren't allowed to watch a couple of hollywood actors pretending to do it in a film until you're 18. What's that all about?
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Old 15-01-2016, 14:33
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Buck Rogers in the 25th Century(the pilot and theatrical version) is a 15. I know that it was cut for the cinema, to get an A(equivalent of a PG back in the day), to
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. I know there are some skimpy outfits - and that's probably why it got the rating, but it seems a bit OTT - drop it down to a 12.
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Old 17-01-2016, 12:43
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Buck Rogers in the 25th Century(the pilot and theatrical version) is a 15. I know that it was cut for the cinema, to get an A(equivalent of a PG back in the day), to
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. I know there are some skimpy outfits - and that's probably why it got the rating, but it seems a bit OTT - drop it down to a 12.
In 1987 they didn't have a 12 rating though. So the only option was to give it a 15 uncut at the time.

If it was submitted today for a re-release it probably would get a 12.
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Old 21-01-2016, 23:17
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^Yeah, it's probably one of those resubmittal cases - it hasn't been resubmitted.

Anyway, here's a little interview with the former censor James Ferman with Barry Norman :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsz7-sScxA
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Old 22-01-2016, 12:04
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Gladiator should have been given an 18 certificate. The Human Stain should have been rated 15
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Old 22-01-2016, 15:57
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Gladiator should have been given an 18 certificate.
Eh? For what reason?
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Old 22-01-2016, 22:16
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I was a bit surprised that Apocalypse Now is only a 15 nowadays with the
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It's just that part though and I think that the rest was fine at 15.
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Old 22-01-2016, 23:19
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bbfc say of Apocalypse Now-

Like The Godfather and many other films of the 60s and 70s Apocalypse Now seems a little staid in its themes and depictions of violence, viewed in an age of round the clock news, ‘extreme reality’ videos and the internet. The idea of atavism, or regression, by ‘civilised’ people into a primitive and murderous state was somewhat passé, even by the 70s and modern audiences were not as horrified, as the Victorians would have been, by tales of miscegenation and mass murder. The Holocaust, My Lai massacre, Charles Manson and highly popularised stories of serial killers had well and truly put to rest any reassuring beliefs about the superiority of Western civilisation and morality.
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/case-studies/apocalypse-now
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Old 23-01-2016, 10:37
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I found it to be quite violent
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Old 23-01-2016, 11:53
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It's really quite a way short of the more severe film gore though. There's hardly any close-up detail of wounds as they happen, a lot of it is off camera or at a distance (or quickly cut away).

I don't see it being too much for the majority of 15 year olds to watch.
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Old 24-01-2016, 01:59
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I watched a film called The Cobbler which has a 12 certificate and there's a scene where one character stuck a shoe in another character's neck. For that alone, the film should have been rated 15
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Old 24-01-2016, 03:33
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I watched a film called The Cobbler which has a 12 certificate and there's a scene where one character stuck a shoe in another character's neck. For that alone, the film should have been rated 15
It was cut for a 12, if you were watching it on Netflix you were watching the uncut version I believe, which the bbfc said would have been 15.

Seriously though, why were you watching it?

It's not like this netflix period is a high point even in Sandler's career. Next time pick one of the imdb top 250 you haven't seen and watch it instead. Throne of Blood- (currently imdb number 226)- that's a good one.
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Old 27-01-2016, 20:52
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Off topic but a documentary maker submitted a 607 minute long single shot of paint drying to protest about bbfc fees. Alas bbfc handled it with their usual stoic professionalism.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...1.html#gallery

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/paint-drying-2016
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Old 31-01-2016, 10:35
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I think that AC/DC's Let There Be Rock concert film getting a 15 in Ireland is unduly harsh. There's one use each of 'f**k' and 'bitch' and the sex references in Whole Lotta Rosie and The Jack aren't that detailed. A 12, like it is in the UK, would've been fine (it was rightly upgraded from PG).

The bonus features are a different story and definitely deserve their higher ratings ('Bon Scott - The Pirate of Rock n Roll' got a 15 in both the UK and Ireland and in one part, Lenmy describes Bon's voice sounding 'like he's f**king someone when he's singing')
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Old 14-02-2016, 18:31
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Deadpool's been getting a load of complaints on Twitter saying that it should've been an 18 instead of a 15.

What do you guys think?
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Old 14-02-2016, 19:29
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I was always confused with The Karate Kid (1984). It was given a 15 here largely because( I would imagine) a scene where Daniel gets quite viciously done over near a fenced off area. Why they made that scene that hard Iv no idea, because the overiding feeling of the film is feelgood and family orientated. Surely a PG would have made more money?
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