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Why Does Jade Have Fans?!?!
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dialectic
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Her career, though long, has not been all that successful, and though I agree she's not a wannabe as such, I think quasimoron may be right that she most "ambitious for fame".

No one's trying to be the next Z list celeb in Nuts these days.”

I seriously doubt that Eileen is the most ambitious in there. Jade, I believe, would appear on NUTS or any such publications ,given half the chance, as she has no publicity or recognition in her own country prior to Big Brother.
Veri
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“I seriously doubt that Eileen is the most ambitious in there. ”

What's she doing in BB -- not even CBB?

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“Jade, I believe, would appear on NUTS or any such publications ,given half the chance, as she has no publicity or recognition in her own country prior to Big Brother.”

That's just your belief, though.

Jade could already be a glamour model if that's what she wanted to do.

And Nuts doesn't even exist any more.
dialectic
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“What's she doing in BB -- not even CBB?



That's just your belief, though.

Jade could already be a glamour model if that's what she wanted to do.

And Nuts doesn't even exist any more.”

Jade is a pageant contestant, possibly going from Miss Tractor fancier to Miss Dublin wannabe in the space of a month, but never any further. She was in a contest with Ashleigh (from last year) in one of those trite competitions; Irelands qualifier for Miss Universe or something. She is not a model, at all really, just a serial competitor in beauty competitions.
Kromm
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Jade is a pageant contestant, possibly going from Miss Tractor fancier to Miss Dublin wannabe in the space of a month, but never any further. She was in a contest with Ashleigh (from last year) in one of those trite competitions; Irelands qualifier for Miss Universe or something. She is not a model, at all really, just a serial competitor in beauty competitions.”

Ah, the truth is revealed. As usual with shows like this its all about who you know. The show wanted to recreate Ashleigh, so they went fishing and cast one of her friends. Now it all makes sense.
Lou17
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Since "it" in that case is the behaviour of other HMs, the HM cannot bring it on themself. The HMs who are targeting that HM are responsible for their own behaviour.”

I'm talking about creating divide and to a degree isolating yourself. She's hardly tried to integrate and just play nice with the hms, she's made it evident that she doesn't like most of them. She's creating her own downfall imo.
onfencewithrach
26-05-2015
I like her, dunno. She makes me laugh and i find her endearing as long as you don't take her super serious.

That was before she was being singled out and targeted which makes me like her even more.
JedHigh
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by Dexter Fan1:
“Jade is manipulative and I don't trust her one bit. ”

- "Dexter Fan"
Veri
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Jade is a pageant contestant, possibly going from Miss Tractor fancier to Miss Dublin wannabe in the space of a month, but never any further. She was in a contest with Ashleigh (from last year) in one of those trite competitions; Irelands qualifier for Miss Universe or something. She is not a model, at all really, just a serial competitor in beauty competitions.”

You said you believed Jade "would appear on NUTS or any such publications ,given half the chance," so I pointed out that if she wanted to do glamour modelling, she she'd already be doing it. Your reply is just a different form of your earlier claim that she has "no publicity or recognition in her own country prior to Big Brother." She would't need those things to start glamour modelling.
Veri
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by Lou17:
“I'm talking about creating divide and to a degree isolating yourself. She's hardly tried to integrate and just play nice with the hms, she's made it evident that she doesn't like most of them. She's creating her own downfall imo.”

The way the HMs are treating Jade is their responsibility, since it's their behaviour. Jade gets along fine with the ones who aren't trying to get rid of her.
coke_pepper
26-05-2015
I tend to Base my like or dislike of housemates on a very simplistic question. Could I live or work with them? I can safely say it'd be a resounding no on both counts where she's concerned. My liberty would be at stake within a very short period.
Heyyouoverthere
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by Dexter Fan1:
“Watching Jade is highly embarrassing. Has anyone else noticed her always flipping her hair in mirrors and lovingly staring at her "beautiful soul and appearance". Nick needs to get away from her and quickly! Jade is manipulative and I don't trust her one bit. ”

People like her because they aren't sheep who follow the so called popular hms. As for flicking hair Nick does that constantly. Jack is very manipulative too. The seat where Adjoa had been sitting before eviction barely cooled down before he was flapping his gums about Jade. Planting the seed of doubt to everyone about Jade being this and that. I could go on and on mention other hms who are far from perfect in there.

None of them are perfect so I don't see why Jade is being villified.
patsylimerick
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“Idiots on this show ALWAYS seem to develop fan bases based on a certain percentage loving ANY trouble maker, but then for some reason also getting backed into a corner trying to make those contestants out as good people as well.

In Jade's case there's also a certain percentage who will automatically defend her because she's Irish (just as there's a certain percentage who will automatically attack her for the same reason).

There's a certain percentage who will automatically defend her because they like looking at her (some who honestly admit that's the case and others who do but deny it's a reason for trying to bestow sainthood on a crackpot like this).

There's a certain percentage who support her just to be contrary to people who pan her.

There's a certain percentage who support her specifically because they dislike someone she's had conflict with in the house (and build her up in their minds even more, because of that tendency to want a "hero" to oppose their designated "villain"--no matter how badly the "hero" fits that role).

And I suppose there's a certain percentage who genuinely like egotistical nutbags. Because YES, they're entertaining. You can't deny that. The problem is that so many people don't admit that's the ONLY reason they want her around--they can't usually avoid the urge to defend someone entertaining on ALL accounts.”

The bit in bold is very interesting for me. I think there's a certain amount of truth in it but because there's a certain amount of truth in it, it posts Irish posters in a difficult position. I basically am refraining from posting in threads about jade because I know this criticism will be levelled and my opinion not taken seriously. Only happens with Irish hms for some reason. Those defending or attacking Adjoa or Kieran are never judged on their ethnicity; those defending or attacking Joel are never quizzed on their associations with Wales. It seems to be a particular DS syndrome.

I think, Kromm, you need to ask yourself how much the bit in bold stifles discussion. So I'm going to comment on the posts below and then I'm going to shut up until Jade is evicted on Friday - as she inevitably will be to massive boos from the moronic crowd.

Originally Posted by Veri:
“She's not a "trouble maker" or a bad person, at least not in what's been shown so far.

The level of dislike for her is way out of proportion to anything she's done "wrong"”

Completely, absolutely but predictably out of proportion. Her and Nick's nom talk was without any nastiness towards the others. Just a voicing of opinion.

Originally Posted by MediaMan5:
“Jade is my favourite housemate in their at the moment by far! She's a very refreshing housemate in this era when housemates are desperately afraid of being chanted and booed and hide their nastiness with a cloak of 'morality'. Jade is fundamentally like the majority of people, a good person with a few bad traits but she isn't afraid to show them unlike all the others.”

I also think this is true - but she won't be given any credit for her refreshing honesty. Though she's repeatedly spoken herself about how objectionable her own personality is 'diva bitch' etc.; all people want to talk about is the fact that she thinks she's beautiful.

Originally Posted by Veri:
“What has you believing Jade thinks everyone loves her or "must" find her anything? ”

I find that quite confusing too. She's confident in herself. That's apparently not allowed. Having said that, I still think Jade's self-confidence is very fragile and she has fleetingly mentioned being bullied at school by the 'pretty, cool' girls. That little comment was quite telling.

Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Jade is a pageant contestant, possibly going from Miss Tractor fancier to Miss Dublin wannabe in the space of a month, but never any further. She was in a contest with Ashleigh (from last year) in one of those trite competitions; Irelands qualifier for Miss Universe or something. She is not a model, at all really, just a serial competitor in beauty competitions.”

And I'll finish with this 'tractor fancier' unveiled xenophobia which takes me nicely back to Kromm's initial point.

That's me out.
Cat-
26-05-2015
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“The bit in bold is very interesting for me. I think there's a certain amount of truth in it but because there's a certain amount of truth in it, it posts Irish posters in a difficult position. I basically am refraining from posting in threads about jade because I know this criticism will be levelled and my opinion not taken seriously. Only happens with Irish hms for some reason. Those defending or attacking Adjoa or Kieran are never judged on their ethnicity; those defending or attacking Joel are never quizzed on their associations with Wales. It seems to be a particular DS syndrome.

I think, Kromm, you need to ask yourself how much the bit in bold stifles discussion. So I'm going to comment on the posts below and then I'm going to shut up until Jade is evicted on Friday - as she inevitably will be to massive boos from the moronic crowd.



Completely, absolutely but predictably out of proportion. Her and Nick's nom talk was without any nastiness towards the others. Just a voicing of opinion.



I also think this is true - but she won't be given any credit for her refreshing honesty. Though she's repeatedly spoken herself about how objectionable her own personality is 'diva bitch' etc.; all people want to talk about is the fact that she thinks she's beautiful.



I find that quite confusing too. She's confident in herself. That's apparently not allowed. Having said that, I still think Jade's self-confidence is very fragile and she has fleetingly mentioned being bullied at school by the 'pretty, cool' girls. That little comment was quite telling.



And I'll finish with this 'tractor fancier' unveiled xenophobia which takes me nicely back to Kromm's initial point.

That's me out.”

Very good and honest response Patsy. I think you're spot on in your points about Kieran, Joel etc. I kind of feel the same way about Kieran. Like Jade, i think he has a quirky and fun side to him, but people prefer to bring up more negative views about him, so I tend not to get involved. None of the hms are perfect but we have a right to support them if we wish without nationalities, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc being the focus.
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