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Old 27-05-2015, 19:36
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Isn't Shirley's defence of Dean similar to how Roxy defended Archie despite learning that he raped both Ronnie when she was a teenager, and then Stacey while he was living in Walford?

Did Roxy receive the same sort of backlash that Shirley faces at the moment for denying what happened to Linda? I watched a clip from 2010 when Ronnie confessed it to her (Peggy, Jack and Glenda were there too) and her reaction reminded me of the disgusting way Shirley behaves at the moment.

Roxy has been unlikeable recently, but IMO the way she pandered to Archie made her even worse at the time. After everything he did to the family, she still thought he was this saviour. It was no different to the way Shirley is in denial about Dean (though perhaps deep down she knows something is up).
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Old 27-05-2015, 20:10
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I think it's very different because Archie was her father, he raised her, she never had a mother around and she was spoiled by him, she was almost devoted like, he never abused her so for her, she couldn't image him doing that, it went against everything she knew about him, so her denial was more real then Shirley's, she still had some loyalty to him right or wrongly because she had a bond with him.

Shirley was the absent mother, who constantly let her children down, her denial is out of guilt, crossed with jealousy, she feels guilty because of what has happened to Dean, how he turned out in her mind he is more vulnerable, he needs her more, her denial is also to do with her turbulent relationship with Linda, she doesn't like her and is jealous because she is everything she is not and she has Mick and her family, so it makes it easier to think she is lying then she isn't, she doesn't even acknowledge her at time which says a lot.
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Old 27-05-2015, 20:26
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In the show there wasn't really a backlash for either of them. Well Shirley's story hasn't ended so it still remains to be seen but in terms of public perception I believe that Shirley has received a lot more negativity than Roxy ever did.

Roxy's constant defense of her Dad, not only about the rapes but also Danielle, his manipulation of Peggy not to mention all his other tricks was absolutely horrible to watch.

With Archie at his peak i personally was unconformable whenever Roxy was on the screen. She has been shown to be incredibly cruel and callous frequently but as she has always been a secondary character these character traits always seem to go away without been explored.
The problem with Roxy is that there has never been consequences for her actions. She is either seen as to stupid or childlike to really know what she is doing.

I had an issue with all the Mitchell women when the Archie think came out. Roxy treated Ronnie horribly for months and when she finally did believe her she started sobbing and it became all about how bad Roxy felt.

After this Peggy didn't believe her and took over from Roxy in the nastiness stakes and when she found out because Glenda had known all along. Ronnie got one scene where she stopped Peggy from apologizing then got railroaded by the other two into forgiving Glenda.

Ronnie is completely messed up and her relationship with her sister is unhealthy but it works both ways and because Roxy is often seen as the secondary character her flaws are minimized. Archie or her children are often associated with how crazy she became but the rest of the women in her family, particularity Roxy played a part.

Basically I think Shirley will be shunned to a degree when the truth comes out. This never happened to Roxy in part because so much misery was pilled onto Ronnie that Roxy actions seemed like less terrible than they really where when thinking about how horrible Roxy really was during that period.
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Old 27-05-2015, 20:49
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Thanks for the responses so far. I find it ridiculous that the public perception of Roxy was untouched after everything came out about her precious father. Aside from some really good spells, I find her an unlikeable character on many occasions. I guess the difference is that Shirley is so deliberately unkind and cold to other people (except for maybe Heather) that she's much easier to dislike.
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Old 27-05-2015, 21:38
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Thanks for the responses so far. I find it ridiculous that the public perception of Roxy was untouched after everything came out about her precious father. Aside from some really good spells, I find her an unlikeable character on many occasions. I guess the difference is that Shirley is so deliberately unkind and cold to other people (except for maybe Heather) that she's much easier to dislike.
Think you have hit the nail on the head. Roxy was portrayed as fun and carefree while Shirley was shown as cold and troubled. Neither of these are entirely accurate though as Roxy is not really like that anymore but she has so little development that she is still seen that way and while Shirley is extremely brash there are more layers there and she can be shown to generally care, occasionally.

It's funny but I have never really thought of Shirley and Roxy's actions being the same until this thread but they totally are. It's interesting. I suppose though that with so many common story lines happening in soaps, characters are given similar material and how the character is perceived can really affect how they are ultimately viewed.
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