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Old 28-05-2015, 19:48
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I do think he will sink or swim with this one.

If it's hammy and unbelievable in a sunset beach type why, I think he will be finished
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:08
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No, but it's probably the only 'big' storyline the show has coming up for the rest of the year, so if it's a failure, who knows?.
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:20
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Actually if he gets it wrong then the whole show could be finished (see Dallas as an example of how it can go wrong). I don't think DTC will mess up on this one though, the stakes are too high...
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:20
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No, but it's probably the only 'big' storyline the show has coming up for the rest of the year, so if it's a failure, who knows?.
The Masoods, Mitchell sisters and the foxes have storylines that ate very good at the moment. There's a great mix of characters at the moment
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:24
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Actually if he gets it wrong then the whole show could be finished (see Dallas as an example of how it can go wrong). I don't think DTC will mess up on this one though, the stakes are too high...
Is Kathy going to be in the shower when Ian sees her.
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:29
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:30
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NO. EastEnders has won most of the awards this year. It's doing well ratings wise YOY
and it's had it's biggest week of ratings for years.
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:30
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Is Kathy going to be in the shower when Ian sees her.
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:31
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I'm not sure, I don't think so.

EE will stay
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:37
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The success of the show doesn't rest on Kathy Beale, she's not someone I've ever been fussed about anyway. I'm loving the Masoods, Fox/Hubbards and Carters. Then there's Ronnie and Stacey and Jean's wedding coming up. Plenty to keep me watching.
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:50
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Actually if he gets it wrong then the whole show could be finished (see Dallas as an example of how it can go wrong). I don't think DTC will mess up on this one though, the stakes are too high...
Yes I agree.

I always said that i could see no plausible way Kathy could return and them doing it would cause EE to become a different type of show, bringing characters back from the dead is okay on 'sunset Beach' but not in something that is supposed to reflect everyday, gritty London life so it might be the thing to make me switch off having watched from the start.

Now, i don't want to switch off, 30 years is a long investment in a show and i have rated DTC's work so far so i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and with holding judgement until we see what the explanation is. If it is something i hadn't thought of which truly is plausible then great, i'll admit i was wrong about trying to bring her back and stick with it. If it is anything along the lines of the explanations that have been floated on here over the years (Witness protection, coman nervous breakdown) then i won't consider it plausible and will, reluctantly, probably give up on the show.

I'm pretty sure i wouldn't be the only one.

I've always said that bringing her back would create a media furore and an increase in ratings as people tune in to see how they've done it. But, if it isn't good enoug, those viewers that just tuned in to find out will leave again, plus possibly a lot more so ultimately it will do more harm than good.

We'll see come the Autumn i guess.
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:54
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Even good producers can make a hash of a story so he shouldn't be judged by this. I'm.judging him by his whole time as producer and I think he sucks. He has brushed aside decent characters in order to ram the Carters down our throats week after week month after boring month. He doesn't give a stuff about the general EE viewers. All he cares about is the Carters and those that like the Carters.
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:54
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The success of the show doesn't rest on Kathy Beale, she's not someone I've ever been fussed about anyway. I'm loving the Masoods, Fox/Hubbards and Carters. Then there's Ronnie and Stacey and Jean's wedding coming up. Plenty to keep me watching.
In principle true, no one character is so important the show rests on them.

My point is whether the method of her return undermines the credibility of the whole premise of the show that i can't 'believe' in it anymore, no matter how good the other characters and actors are.

That was a lot of people's issue with Dallas. It still had most of the things that had originally made it successful but it lost its core of credibility. Why bother investing in the characters and relationships, cry when a character dies if you can't be sure that they really are dead and won't come back in 1, 10 or even 20 years.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:03
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Even good producers can make a hash of a story so he shouldn't be judged by this. I'm.judging him by his whole time as producer and I think he sucks. He has brushed aside decent characters in order to ram the Carters down our throats week after week month after boring month. He doesn't give a stuff about the general EE viewers. All he cares about is the Carters and those that like the Carters.
How do you explain kat/alfie, the Masoods and the Mitchells; beales and foxes all had massive or upcoming storylines. The carters have completely been toned down. Its been a good mix the last while. are the carters never supposed to feature for fear of the domination. The brannings and Mitchells were the same a few years ago too.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:06
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She has already returned, we're up to 3 appearances so far and mostly these have been well-received, leaving people excited and looking forward to her full time return. Lots of fans have been wanting Kathy to return for years.

The show survived Den coming back and his earlier demise had been an on screen storyline. I don't think his return was fully plausible but it was successful until Leslie's webcam scandal. IMO even before the webcam thing there was something off about him (his acting like a gangster, bedding Sam, and affair with Kate Mitchell) but it was after the webcam thing the press turned against him, and the writing got even worse, hitting its lowest point when he started showing a sexual interest in daughter Sharon.

This year has seen the show get its highest ratings in years and they have just swept the board at the soap awards. I can't see DTC going anywhere.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:15
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Yes Kathy has appeared a couple of times but we are yet to get the full explanation as to what happened. That is the crucial thing, at least to me, as to whether a return can work.

Den's return, as discussed many time before, had always been signaled as a possibility. His death was left ambiguous on purpose to allow for a possible future return, That's why we didn't see the filmed shot of his body going into the Canal with his open eyes clearly signaling he was dead. That's why the body that was recovered had decomposed too much to be positively identified, it had to be done by his ring. Etc, etc.

Even with all this on screen doubt about his death being there from the beginning, his return was still too much for a lot of viewers who switched off after watching the initial return episode for the explanation.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:18
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I'd say probably. DTC has forced us to swallow a lot of twaddle this past year, but he has also come out with some award winning showstoppers that have forced other soaps to raise their game. Having said that, Kathy's return HAS to be believable and flawlessly done.

No pressure.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:19
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If we want to compared Kathy's revival to Den Watts' resurrection, it's worth pointing out that the success of a show shouldn't be based on one high profile character. It's stupid to do that. EE has been in its best shape in years, if we look at how well they clean up at soap awards, etc.

2004 was a weak year for EE, not because of Den, but because the show was hurting from various character absences so scripts had to be re-written and the crew struggled with the move to four episodes a week. Leslie Grantham's off-screen behaviour didn't help but killing off Den permanently in hindsight was a bad idea. 2005 was the year of Sam and Chrissie, stemming from his death, but it was then followed by a dire 2006 with numerous big name characters gone and a terrible EP and plenty of new characters with potential, but needed time to establish themselves. The show at the moment is in a much better shape than 2004 and 2006.

I trust that Kathy Beale's full time return will be different Den's. We've seen her twice briefly and I'm sure it'll be big once we see her back and Ian and Ben know the truth.
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Old 28-05-2015, 22:03
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Den's return, as discussed many time before, had always been signaled as a possibility. His death was left ambiguous on purpose to allow for a possible future return,
Even without seeing the body I never bought the circumstances surrounding Den being alive. Him leaving the canal, making his way to Jan's without being seen, getting advanced medical treatment from Jan (he had a bullet in him) and then escaping the country just doesn't ring true to me. People talk about Den's connections but he was a wideboy who got in over his head. His biggest crime before getting tangled up with The Firm was flogging dodgy duvets and wirelesses out the back of the Vic. The Firm were after Den - he was shot in the first place on their orders - and would not have helped him leave the country. He didn't have anyone else.
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Old 29-05-2015, 03:48
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I think it won't fail because so much planning has gone into it, It will work and we will have a much loved character back.
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Old 29-05-2015, 05:38
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its almost like the people here who have negative views/opinions/thoughts on the show at the moment, DTC and Kathy's return almost want all three of these to fail but they wouldn't admit! some people on here aren't happy unless they can give out about something

(by the way this comment isn't by any means aimed at any one particular post in this thread this is just something that I felt needed to be said, so to anyone who make get on the defensive don't bother because I won't be rising to it I'm just posting my opinion)
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Old 29-05-2015, 07:56
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its almost like the people here who have negative views/opinions/thoughts on the show at the moment, DTC and Kathy's return almost want all three of these to fail but they wouldn't admit! some people on here aren't happy unless they can give out about something

(by the way this comment isn't by any means aimed at any one particular post in this thread this is just something that I felt needed to be said, so to anyone who make get on the defensive don't bother because I won't be rising to it I'm just posting my opinion)
An opinion you are entitled to and you can read or not, i'm still going to post a reply.

Your view seems based on an idea that anybody with reservations about kathy's return wants it to fail due to not liking DTC or the current show but 'won't admit it'.

Not true in my case. I think DTC has worked wonders on the show, there are problems but basically, n my opinion, it is in the best shape it has been for about 13 years years, possibly since the early tio mid 90s. He has, to a great degree, turned it around by making some bold decisions. I don't Want Kathy's return to fail as i don't want the show or DTC to fail, i don't want to lose a show i have followed, through good and bad days, for 30 years.

But I still have concerns that this could be a mistake for all the reasons I've stated both earlier in this post and every time this subject has come up since DS began, way before DTC became Exec Producer.
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Old 29-05-2015, 08:01
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No definitely not.
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Old 29-05-2015, 08:07
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Bringing back a dead character was always going to be risky. If this flops I don't think it will necessarily kill the show, but it will kill a significant chunk of whatever credibility EastEnders has left. As much as I'm happy to see Kathy back (it was a huge mistake to kill her off in the first place) I still have huge reservations about this story and the direction the show seems to be heading in.
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Old 29-05-2015, 14:05
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If it fails? She was brought back 3 months ago and the world keeps turning. It's not that big of a deal. Many viewers didn't know she was supposed to be dead in the first place and most have embraced her return. It's well established now that Kathy wasn't actually dead so all we need is the reason she faked her death. Her actual presence has already been accepted on the whole.
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