Each of the housemates are responsible for their own actions - there should not have been a situation that needed Big Brother to step in or intervene. Would it be banter if someone started to rub their dick on you, your parent, sibling, child, best friend? Nope

Yeah right. Once you log off you'll probably just get on with your life and won't even think about what has been said on here today.

The false outrage on here never fails to surprise me for some reason. I should be used to it by now really.

Ok. If HM A is chasing HM B with a glass of water and HM B says 'don't you dare throw that water over me' and subsequently HM A does throw the water.

Is HM A guilty of assault?

Should HM A be ejected?

Me too. People seem to be poster shaming as well just because their opinions aren't the same on the matter.

I think it's a fair point to ask why Joel didn't demonstrate that he was angry about it. He didn't raise his voice, or make out that he was taking it seriously. If he let the other housemates know how he felt then they might have probably stopped.

The other housemates laughed along because it was no too dissimilar to the kind of horseplay they'd have seen before on BB.

When I was younger I had a couple of mates who would mess about like that. I never thought for a second that I had been sexually assaulted.

This show tends to take things right out of context and ramp things up to 11.

Anyone know what the actor John Barrowman is like on set when filming?
He's quite well known for this sort of behaviour.

I'm not saying that Aaron was right, or that the other housemates were right. But I'm not sure if Joel handled things the best way he could either, nor Big Brother.
This situation could have been handled a lot better and I blame BB for a failure to manage the situation correctly.

Before I watched it I was thinking that, yes, he should be ejected for it in the same way a bloke who was waving his willy at a woman who didn't want to see it would be. Having seen the clip though it was hilarious and Joel seemed to be taking it all in good spirits., I was gobsmacked at his about turn in the diary room.

Throwing water over someone is entirely different to waving at and rubbing your genitalia on someone... I fear what else you think is acceptable, so people who are raped = the same as having a glass of water chucked on them? Cool

But that didn't happen.

Are you seriously suggesting that we have all just witnessed Joel being raped on national TV?

Joel may have laughed but it was a nervous laugh and he clearly was not sure how to react. He tried telling Arron to stop but he just carried on while others egged him on. Everything cannot be passed off as "banter" I don't like Joel that much but I felt sorry for him in this situation.

I obviously am not, but I'm comparing what the poster above me said about sexual assault/harassment being the same as throwing water..

Love the term "poster shaming" and you are right.

As he grabbed him from behind, I'd suspect his penis made contact.

I'm gutted this has happened.

I thought this was gonna be a topic about aarons voice in the diary room as he was being evicted. i laughed at that. But his antics in the bedroom were not funny. They were too puerile and predatory for that.

It's assault.

Go to work tomorrow and throw a glass of water over your boss and you'd be sacked.

Try it when you're larking about with your friends and you're likely to get one thrown back at you and everyone would laugh.

Context.

Yeah I laughed at him in the dr.

There's more than we were shown for sure

That has no correlation whatsoever with the situation at hand. It does not matter if it's your friend/relative/stranger/a convicted pedophile, people such as yourselves clearly do not understand what consent is.

How can u say that like a rapist saying the victim acted like t they didn't like it when they did

Its the first time I have laughed at this episode of bb.

It's Joel's fan girls on here scrambling to defend his swift U-turn in the DR to distance himself from the hijinks when he realized it was serious.
He'll make a great politician judging by the way he threw Aaron to the wolves to avoid a stain on his character

^^^^this

Back in the day, the women's movement used to have a strapline, "Wherever we are wherever we go, our yes means yes and our no means no". As you say, Joel clearly said no. End of. Or should have been

No but it was sexual assault from what Joel said in the DR

I wasn't laughing I felt uncomfortable for both Joel and Aaron.

If Joel found it funny then it can be construed as banter and a bit of a laugh. If he didnt, then it is just harassing someone.

Joel obviously mentioned in the Diary Room he found it uncomfortable, so therefore to him it is harassment. He didnt know how to react. The grey area is he reacted by laughing, which made it seem more and more like a bit of fun. Then as someone mentioned, using words like "ding dong" it seemed to me like they were "playing", Aaron the mischeivous one and for want of a better word, Joel the straight one in the double act.

It was only when Joel was in the diary room I realised how much he felt uncomfortable. Big Brother would therefore have done much better to make Aaron aware of this, let him apologise to Joel and left it as a warning.

I've had friends do similar things to me, I laugh whilst saying "stop it" they carry on, everyone laughs and its treated as a "prank" or a joke. However if someone did it to me who wasnt my friend, I would be angry about it. Its all about context and in this instance in BB I think its very hard to define, therefore BB could have achieved more by having Joel and Aaron discuss it together in the diary room and come to some sort of agreement.

agree - a lot of people (me being one) tend to try to fend off unwelcome behaviour or comments by trying not to be confrontational - hence a nervous laugh while saying stop that. It can be really difficult to be assertive when other peers are saying its "only a joke"
or "its just a laugh" when actually its NOT.

Some are really too dramatic on DS aren't they?

He was my fave before this but now im not that keen, he was a bit cut-throat.

BB probably called him to the DR to discuss it, Joel did seem lighthearted about it in the bedroom but you could see by his face he was really uncomfortable and just relayed his feelings to BB.

If Joel knew being honest would have got Aaron removed I doubt he would have spoken up. (Which is not how it should be!)