Having seen the clip of Aaron which lasted at the most five minutes with the drink and being egged on by the housemates WHY did it take BB all that time to watch what he was doing instead to nip it the bud he could of been called to the diary room told off matter closed..................
Could they have asked Joel?...
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BB told Joel that he had nothing to do with Aaron's removal. Aaron's behaviour was unacceptable and Joel should not have to take responsibility for it one way or the other. The point is that Aaron's advances were uninvited and crossed the line. Joel should not be put in a position to have to condone them it is BB's role to protect him from this unacceptable behaviour.
Originally Posted by JVS:
“If repeatedly exposing genitals was unacceptable Aaron would have been called to the DR long before the umteenth time he did it..”
“If repeatedly exposing genitals was unacceptable Aaron would have been called to the DR long before the umteenth time he did it..”
He's had parts of his anatomy on show and in their spin the bottle game his bottom was on show and it was mostly at that point in the name of 'fun'.
However, the bedroom incident was completely different, he was fully naked and constantly teasing/harassing/whatsoever you want to call it....Joel. The wee boy was mortified & embaressed & didn't know what to do with himself.
Originally Posted by chelle6:
“BB told Joel that he had nothing to do with Aaron's removal. Aaron's behaviour was unacceptable and Joel should not have to take responsibility for it one way or the other. The point is that Aaron's advances were uninvited and crossed the line. Joel should not be put in a position to have to condone them it is BB's role to protect him from this unacceptable behaviour.”
“BB told Joel that he had nothing to do with Aaron's removal. Aaron's behaviour was unacceptable and Joel should not have to take responsibility for it one way or the other. The point is that Aaron's advances were uninvited and crossed the line. Joel should not be put in a position to have to condone them it is BB's role to protect him from this unacceptable behaviour.”
Yet BB didn't do that when it started happening!
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“It's also worth noting that Joel wasn't wearing his dressing gown in the Diary Room which suggests to me they called him when he was either asleep or trying to fall asleep. Did Marcus Bentley state the time Joel was in the Diary Room? I can't remember now.”
“It's also worth noting that Joel wasn't wearing his dressing gown in the Diary Room which suggests to me they called him when he was either asleep or trying to fall asleep. Did Marcus Bentley state the time Joel was in the Diary Room? I can't remember now.”
We saw Joel going there just after Aaron had returned from the DR for his telling off.
Aaron had to go, I'm amazed that there is no team spirit in the house, nobody points out when something is wrong, they all just bitch in corners.
Originally Posted by nomad2king:
“We saw Joel going there just after Aaron had returned from the DR for his telling off.”
“We saw Joel going there just after Aaron had returned from the DR for his telling off.”
They probably called him in shortly after to cover their own backs.
Reflecting on all this this morning, right or wrong I truly believe BB were too hasty.
Originally Posted by JVS:
“It's all immaterial, BB wanted Aaron out for publicity purposes, there would be mileage in just warning him.”
“It's all immaterial, BB wanted Aaron out for publicity purposes, there would be mileage in just warning him.”
Which is why they introduced a twist which removed him from being up for eviction.
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“They did ask Joel how he felt. He said he was uncomfortable.”
“They did ask Joel how he felt. He said he was uncomfortable.”
If Joel felt uncomfortable, he should have been removed from the house. He clearly is either too immature or he is playing a rather nasty little game.
Originally Posted by Hairy Haggis:
“I don't think Joel had any say in the matter.
It was very clear for all to see that Aaron took it way too far.
Joel is 19 and a straight Virgin, the young lad was mortified and didn't have a clue how to handle the situation whilst the rest of the house giggled on.
Aaron was sexually harassing Joel. Full Stop.
Big Brother saw it and we all saw it. It was clearly sexual harassment.”
“I don't think Joel had any say in the matter.
It was very clear for all to see that Aaron took it way too far.
Joel is 19 and a straight Virgin, the young lad was mortified and didn't have a clue how to handle the situation whilst the rest of the house giggled on.
Aaron was sexually harassing Joel. Full Stop.
Big Brother saw it and we all saw it. It was clearly sexual harassment.”
I agree entirely.
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“They probably called him in shortly after to cover their own backs.
Reflecting on all this this morning, right or wrong I truly believe BB were too hasty.”
“They probably called him in shortly after to cover their own backs.
Reflecting on all this this morning, right or wrong I truly believe BB were too hasty.”
Anyone or any organisation which has a duty of care is legally obliged to hear all sides before making a decision about action that should be taken with respect to the law. BB has lawyers who would have been advising them. The events took place at night. It is likely that there was a meeting of legal minds the following morning. The decision was not taken by any one person.
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“Joel never said anything about being uncomfortable with Aaron, he just he was uncomfortable with Aaron's actions in that moment. He certainly never said anything about not being comfortable with Aaron in the house or whatever. I think it was silly to remove him.
I agree, OP.”
“Joel never said anything about being uncomfortable with Aaron, he just he was uncomfortable with Aaron's actions in that moment. He certainly never said anything about not being comfortable with Aaron in the house or whatever. I think it was silly to remove him.
I agree, OP.”
Joel was happy enough to share baths and banter with Aaron before. What signals was he sending out?
Originally Posted by wallster:
“If Joel felt uncomfortable, he should have been removed from the house. He clearly is either too immature or he is playing a rather nasty little game.”
“If Joel felt uncomfortable, he should have been removed from the house. He clearly is either too immature or he is playing a rather nasty little game.”
Lmfao some people on here are pathetic
I'm just gutted that it came to this.
I loved watching the Aaron/Joel pairing and thought they would have stayed mates after the show, obviously now that's not gonna happen.
Like another poster said on here, I believe BB threw Joel and Aaron under the bus last night.
I loved watching the Aaron/Joel pairing and thought they would have stayed mates after the show, obviously now that's not gonna happen.
Like another poster said on here, I believe BB threw Joel and Aaron under the bus last night.
Originally Posted by wallster:
“Joel was happy enough to share baths and banter with Aaron before. What signals was he sending out?”
“Joel was happy enough to share baths and banter with Aaron before. What signals was he sending out?”
They all share baths in there. In no way does that give Aaron the right to do what he did. If not wanting to kiss just before when they were playing truth or dare wasn't enough of a sign that he wasn't comfortable with things like that, plus constantly asking Aaron to stop it and to behave himself, then I don't know what is.
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“They all share baths in there. In no way does that give Aaron the right to do what he did. If not wanting to kiss just before when they were playing truth or dare wasn't enough of a sign that he wasn't comfortable with things like that, plus constantly asking Aaron to stop it and to behave himself, then I don't know what is.”
“They all share baths in there. In no way does that give Aaron the right to do what he did. If not wanting to kiss just before when they were playing truth or dare wasn't enough of a sign that he wasn't comfortable with things like that, plus constantly asking Aaron to stop it and to behave himself, then I don't know what is.”
If Joel isn't "comfortable" in such situations, he shouldn't be in the house. The other housemates treated it as it was. It is called fun. There was nothing remotely harmful about it, unless you are homophobic.
Originally Posted by wallster:
“If Joel isn't "comfortable" in such situations, he shouldn't be in the house. The other housemates treated it as it was. It is called fun. There was nothing remotely harmful about it, unless you are homophobic.”
“If Joel isn't "comfortable" in such situations, he shouldn't be in the house. The other housemates treated it as it was. It is called fun. There was nothing remotely harmful about it, unless you are homophobic.”
Since when was being comfortable with someone running round naked, swinging their penis at you, dry humping you whilst naked, and getting in your bed naked uninvited a requirement of being a housemate on Big Brother?
Here's a different idea - if Aaron can't control himself and not do ridiculous things like what he did, he shouldn't be in there.
Oh, the homophobia card. Brilliant.
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“Oh, the homophobia card. Brilliant.”
“Oh, the homophobia card. Brilliant.”
It is not a "card", it is sheer prejudice which has no place in modern Britain.
Originally Posted by wallster:
“It is not a "card", it is sheer prejudice which has no place in modern Britain.”
“It is not a "card", it is sheer prejudice which has no place in modern Britain.”
So, anyone who was offended by what Aaron did, or who would also have felt uncomfortable if it happened to them is homophobic? That's what you're saying?
Joel's not homophobic, I wouldn't even be shocked if later in life he came out as a gay or bisexual man.
But he is nineteen years old and inexperienced to life, to have it all forced on him must be a bit distressing.
But he is nineteen years old and inexperienced to life, to have it all forced on him must be a bit distressing.
Originally Posted by wallster:
“It is not a "card", it is sheer prejudice which has no place in modern Britain.”
“It is not a "card", it is sheer prejudice which has no place in modern Britain.”
I agree that homophobia has no place in modern Britain but people like you who try to use that card at every opportunity do more harm than good.
Originally Posted by Hairy Haggis:
“I don't think Joel had any say in the matter.
It was very clear for all to see that Aaron took it way too far.
Joel is 19 and a straight Virgin, the young lad was mortified and didn't have a clue how to handle the situation whilst the rest of the house giggled on.
Aaron was sexually harassing Joel. Full Stop.
Big Brother saw it and we all saw it. It was clearly sexual harassment.”
“I don't think Joel had any say in the matter.
It was very clear for all to see that Aaron took it way too far.
Joel is 19 and a straight Virgin, the young lad was mortified and didn't have a clue how to handle the situation whilst the rest of the house giggled on.
Aaron was sexually harassing Joel. Full Stop.
Big Brother saw it and we all saw it. It was clearly sexual harassment.”
Exactly this.
I thought he looked totally embarrassed and had absolutely no clue how to stop Aaron. The trouble with Joel is he is too calculating and instead of doing what most people would have, he was too worried about how it would come across, like he couldn't take a joke or something.
His diary room chat was just him over stating his straightness because again he was embarrassed about what it would look like. This in turn helped seal Aaron's deserved removal.
Talking to him in the morning would have felt like BB trying to get Joel to downplay the incident. I felt really sorry for him as he just didn't know how to cope with this. Not just Aaron overstepping the mark but the fallout from it.
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