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BB threw both Aaron and Joel under the bus
Astute
29-05-2015
I think BB threw both Aaron and Joel under the bus .

They had a Duty of Care towards both and should have warned Aaron much earlier on in the series - or indeed made it a general announcement .

If he persisted , even once more , then would have been rightfully ejected.

I know people are saying Joel should have been more forceful but he said "No" in so many forms on many occasions and quite clearly had nowhere else to go to escape from Aaron .

However - even though Aaron quite clearly has boundary ( and other ) issues and in their bathtub discussion prior to the bedroom scene - said it was "only banter " ( the normal coverup) I don't think even he would have let it get that bad if he had been properly warned on previous occasions - much earlier in the show .

In previous episodes, Joel was uncomfortable but polite ( probably not knowing how to deal with this properly and realising what it could look like if he complained in the Diary Room)

Aaron , not having been sanctioned previously and being egged on by the others probably thought this was really funny .
Add alcohol into the mix - and this is a recipe for extreme behaviour

This is not to say Aaron's behaviour was justifiable in any way - e.g. in any situation (employment, etc ) his prior antics would have been classed as sexual harassment , no question.

By letting it go on for so long and not doing anything about it for so long , BB has let them both down .

Now Joel is going to get the backlash and Aaron who is ordinarily quite fragile, is having to deal with the consequences of his behaviour in the most public way possible .

I hope they both get the help and support they need.
I'm-a-pain
29-05-2015
My thoughts exactly. I totally blame BB for Aaron's removal from the house.

xx
shelleyj89
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by I'm-a-pain:
“My thoughts exactly. I totally blame BB for Aaron's removal from the house.

xx”

I blame Aaron.
fredster
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“I blame Aaron.”

Exactly
Arcana
29-05-2015
BB has an obvious conflict of interest and on this occasion I agree that we should be questioning BB's handling of the situation.
connor the judg
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by I'm-a-pain:
“My thoughts exactly. I totally blame BB for Aaron's removal from the house.

xx”

Aaron.

Big Brother didn't tell him to (and if they did, Aaron would still be to blame).
Annsyre
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by Astute:
“I think BB threw both Aaron and Joel under the bus .

They had a Duty of Care towards both and should have warned Aaron much earlier on in the series - or indeed made it a general announcement .

If he persisted , even once more , then would have been rightfully ejected.

I know people are saying Joel should have been more forceful but he said "No" in so many forms on many occasions and quite clearly had nowhere else to go to escape from Aaron .

However - even though Aaron quite clearly has boundary ( and other ) issues and in their bathtub discussion prior to the bedroom scene - said it was "only banter " ( the normal coverup) I don't think even he would have let it get that bad if he had been properly warned on previous occasions - much earlier in the show .

In previous episodes, Joel was uncomfortable but polite ( probably not knowing how to deal with this properly and realising what it could look like if he complained in the Diary Room)

Aaron , not having been sanctioned previously and being egged on by the others probably thought this was really funny .
Add alcohol into the mix - and this is a recipe for extreme behaviour

This is not to say Aaron's behaviour was justifiable in any way - e.g. in any situation (employment, etc ) his prior antics would have been classed as sexual harassment , no question.

By letting it go on for so long and not doing anything about it for so long , BB has let them both down .

Now Joel is going to get the backlash and Aaron who is ordinarily quite fragile, is having to deal with the consequences of his behaviour in the most public way possible .

I hope they both get the help and support they need.”

They sign a contract before they enter the house and all the rules are made clear. The fact of the matter is that Aaron cannot control himself. He apologised knowing that he had broken the rules. And he's gone.

Perhaps he has learned a useful lesson?

What backlash? Four of the gang who egged Aaron on will be gone tonight.
john176bramley
29-05-2015
I'm glad the bus is back I've missed it.
Astute
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“They sign a contract before they enter the house and all the rules are made clear. The fact of the matter is that Aaron cannot control himself. He apologised knowing that he had broken the rules. And he's gone.

Perhaps he has learned a useful lesson?

What backlash? Four of the gang who egged Aaron on will be gone tonight.”

HMs don't only face backlash IN the house, its also public and fanbased responses
And there must be some people out there who think their favourite can do no wrong ...
Astute
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“I'm glad the bus is back I've missed it.”


the bus is back big time tonight
yogacats
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by Astute:
“I think BB threw both Aaron and Joel under the bus .

They had a Duty of Care towards both and should have warned Aaron much earlier on in the series - or indeed made it a general announcement .

If he persisted , even once more , then would have been rightfully ejected.

I know people are saying Joel should have been more forceful but he said "No" in so many forms on many occasions and quite clearly had nowhere else to go to escape from Aaron .

However - even though Aaron quite clearly has boundary ( and other ) issues and in their bathtub discussion prior to the bedroom scene - said it was "only banter " ( the normal coverup) I don't think even he would have let it get that bad if he had been properly warned on previous occasions - much earlier in the show .

In previous episodes, Joel was uncomfortable but polite ( probably not knowing how to deal with this properly and realising what it could look like if he complained in the Diary Room)

Aaron , not having been sanctioned previously and being egged on by the others probably thought this was really funny .
Add alcohol into the mix - and this is a recipe for extreme behaviour

This is not to say Aaron's behaviour was justifiable in any way - e.g. in any situation (employment, etc ) his prior antics would have been classed as sexual harassment , no question.

By letting it go on for so long and not doing anything about it for so long , BB has let them both down .

Now Joel is going to get the backlash and Aaron who is ordinarily quite fragile, is having to deal with the consequences of his behaviour in the most public way possible .

I hope they both get the help and support they need.”


Absolutely brilliant post. I agree 100%. This occurrence was sort of 'an accident waiting to happen' and it could have been easily avoided if it had been nipped in the bud earlier. I think the fact that everyone seemed to be egging Aaron on (particularly Harriet) didn't help either.
Astute
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Absolutely brilliant post. I agree 100%. This occurrence was sort of 'an accident waiting to happen' and it could have been easily avoided if it had been nipped in the bud earlier. I think the fact that everyone seemed to be egging Aaron on (particularly Harriet) didn't help either.”

Aw thanks ...

I agree - Harriets behaviour was quite bizarre last night
Its as if she was desperately trying to get in on the action
Pink_flamingo
29-05-2015
Completely agree with you OP
JVS
29-05-2015
Of course it is BB's fault. If they'd wanted to stop Aaron earlier they needn't even have called him to the DR, they could have just told him over the tannoy to get dressed and stop annoying Joel. But no, they were watching and wringing their hands at the show-stopping spectacle unfold before their eyes and thinking it was TV gold.

Only hours later did they come up with the ejection ploy to increase ratings.
Jakobjoe
29-05-2015
yeah,..theyve thrown half the housemates under the bus in a desperate attemtp to be trendy..its a shoddy way to behave and treat people
Desy Boy
29-05-2015
I actually agree with this. As much as I believe it letting the game play out if you are going to get involved then it was clear that this dynamic had the real potential to cross the line. As much as Aaron annoyed me his ejection just felt disproportionate to his intent and spirit. This wasn't an aggressive or intimidating act but one more akin to persistent annoyance, discomfort and inappropriate behaviour.
od hominem
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by I'm-a-pain:
“My thoughts exactly. I totally blame BB for Aaron's removal from the house.

xx”

I blame Aaron. Vacuous imbecile who needs to learn some social f&^*%ng boundaries. What the hell was he thinking of? For that matter, what were the other idiots doing egging him on, and why weren't THEY given the big E?
Too many HMs, these days, with little or no social skills, who lack the wherewithal to hold an intelligent conversation because they're too sodding lazy and ignorant to learn about the world that they're a part of. There's an obvious desire to stand out from the ordinary but, almost without exception, the route taken in order to achieve this is the intellectually and culturally bone idle one. They claim to be psychic or expert on tarot reading and such like; or they claim to be spiritual and spew out absolute garbage such as 'The Universe won't allow bad things to happen to good people'. What!!??? Or trying to teach meditation when it's obvious you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
What we have at the moment is a bunch of children who happen to look like adults, but have no idea where the boundaries are or when they've crossed them. Let's hope the four new HMs redress this to some extent but, this being C5, I won't be holding my f*&^%ng breath,
Rufus Knights
29-05-2015
Aaron threw himself under the bus with his perverted behaviour. He is repulsive.
Heatherbell
29-05-2015
I totally agree .
There was no attempt to rein Aaron in by BB . They allowed him to believe his behaviour was acceptable for far too long . I dislike Joel intensely and though it is none of our business I deeply suspect he is gay , but really Aaron has been on his case over it since day 1 . Teasing occasionally is one thing, but it's been relentless . If Joel wants to exit any closet he might be in then it's his own place to out himself, not be dragged out kicking and screaming on national TV . So yes, Aaron was def in the wrong , but so was BB re 'duty of care' to both young men .
GibsonSG
29-05-2015
Oh my god! I can't be bothered to read the rambling opening post in it's entirety, but if I have this right, you think it was the producers fault. Whatever happened to personal responsibility.

Stopped when speeding "sorry officer the dog should have stopped me". Really! I know some people are upset because he was thrown out but flipping heck get some perspective.
od hominem
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“Oh my god! I can't be bothered to read the rambling opening post in it's entirety, but if I have this right, you think it was the producers fault. Whatever happened to personal responsibility.

Stopped when speeding "sorry officer the dog should have stopped me". Really! I know some people are upset because he was thrown out but flipping heck get some perspective
.”

This ^
Littlegreen42
29-05-2015
I don't think people are excusing any of the behaviour, but it is true that BB blatantly saw this as an opportunity for publicity.

Joel was the one who was made to feel uncomfortable... so really it should have been up to him whether he felt comfortable enough around Aaron.
Iqoniq
29-05-2015
Originally Posted by Desy Boy:
“This wasn't an aggressive or intimidating act but one more akin to persistent annoyance, discomfort and inappropriate behaviour.”

While it wasn't particularly aggressive or intimidating to watch it could have felt that way to Joel. The poor lad has already admitted he's a virgin and has had no experience with anything like this before and quite clearly didn't know how to react. He's also had to put up with Aaron from the start, and regardless of whether he's gay, straight or whatever unwanted advances whether they're physical or verbal are just that. It was sexual harassment.

I think the reason Aaron got kicked out is down to the fact that Joel would have actually had a very strong case for sexual assault. If that had happened then this series would have been over because the police would have pulled everyone there in if not for interviews, but also possibly incitement. I think if that had happened then C5 would have had to ultimately cancel it (no big loss for me as I only watch it because my housemate does), especially following on from that Baywatch idiot doing similar in CBB.

I think Joel should be given a lot of credit as well for keeping his cool. If it had been me I'd have told Aaron to pack it in twice, the third time I would have made him stop. What does really annoy me is the fact that if Joel had decked him he would have been classed as violent and homophobic and he'd have been kicked out and had a lot of people slamming him for it.

Aaron's tears were probably because he can't believe he's been blown out by someone, and in the process also managed to get himself kicked out the house. I don't believe he was sorry at all for anyone except himself.
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