Joel made it quite clear that Aaron's advances made him feel uncomfortable on many occasions previous to this one

Incompetence :

1) That they allowed this to continue without perhaps issuing a general warning (to all ) long before this without necessarily singling one HM out

2) That they didn't have a DR chat to Aaron on any of the many occasions Joel said he was uncomfortable with this

3) That they allowed this incident to go so far on the night in question before calling Aaron to the DR

This could have all been avoided and possibly still have Aaron in the house if this was done on any of the numerous opportunities Aaron made unwelcome advances on Joel .


But "it is what it is "

No he/she said it was "generally accepted" that Aaron shouldn't have been ejected which clearly it is not. Hope that clears your confusion

I don't think Aaron really meant any harm. Maybe he did have too much to drink and maybe he was encouraged by the egging on of him by the others. However, Aaron is ultimately responsible for his own behaviour and I think BB made the right decision in ejecting him. I do still feel a little bit sorry for him though but hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson on how far is too far.

Aaron's last time in the diary room reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc52OMftJSk

I vacillate between feeling sorry for him and for Joel .

Like I have been banging on - If BB intervened earlier and drew his attention to how his behaviour could be making Joel feel , he may have changed his behaviour and still be there and not escalated it to persistent and physical confrontation which left them no option but to get rid of him

He should have the understanding but clearly did not ,and also seemed sensitive (albeit when actions only involved him)
I think with awareness there was a real possiblity he may not have done what he did.

If he then chose to take it out on Joel etc or continue - then he deserved immediate ejection from the house , without question

But both have been let down by BB .Big time

I am no fan of Aaron and his way of behaving, but his treatment was totally unfair and unreasonable, and will no doubt affect him badly as a person for some time.
His silly Tweets since his ejection are symptomatic of this.
As there is no LF they did not need to show his antics in full, a severe warning at this stage would have done, and a ban on him drinking alcohol for a week may have helped.
As the OP says there must be a hidden agenda here, and it stinks.

Aaron's ejection had everything to do with his inappropriate behaviour. Had he not behaved inappropriately, and Joel told him many times to stop, he wouldn't have been ejected.

I agree we may not be shown the full picture and only a sanitised version of what they want us to see
BUT
Even though Aaron's actions were unacceptable prior to this, I think once there is physical confrontation they have no option but to take drastic action

So imo no hidden agenda just BB incompetence in dealing with and delaying the inevitable

I do understand what you're saying about BB intervening, but isn't part of this whole process to see the reactions of the participants and how they handle themselves? I am more disappointed none of the HMs said something to Aaron and brought his actions to his attention. I don't think BB should be jumping in until there is a real concern for their 'safety'. I do understand what you're saying though...just a different opinion.

He can't have been that bad or BB wouldn't have let him carry on for so long.

"Aaron's Ejection Had NOTHING To Do With His "Offensive Behaviour""

Don't be daft of course it did, as I commented on another thread.

I think you'll find that less than half think this.

The FIRST TIME Joel said NO Aaron should have backed off.

Also, Aaron was NOT DRUNK. He was already sobering up in the bathroom convo with Joel. Besides the fact that drunk is not an excuse. If one can not control one's actions when drunk, one has no business getting drunk.

It sickens me to read that people think Joel welcomed this sexual behaviour when in fact he has had to REPEATEDLY tell Aaron to stop, he wasn't interested. Including just hours before during the truth or dare when Joel said in no uncertain terms that he couldn't kiss Aaron. Joel has always appeared uncomfortable with Aarons unwanted sexual advances. But Aaron continued and continued and went way too far in the bedroom. People seem to forget that at that time at night the HM's are LOCKED into the bedroom. Joel had nowhere to escape to.

Joel was always clear that he was not interested nor comfortable with Aaron's sexual advances. And up until that night Aaron had always backed off as he did during truth or dare. Joel said NO and Aaron left. There was no way for Joel to predict that Aaron would go so far and not back off.

Oh and Aaron is not that young, he's mid 20's with over 200 sexual partners which makes him experienced, more so I dare say than most if not all the people on here.
Joel on the other hand is a TEENAGER. He's had no sexual experience.

People that make excuses for Aaron just turn my stomach, especially the females. NO means NO.

Aaron knew perfectly well he was bullying Joel - Joel's embarrassment was what he was enjoying.

The idea that he would have got it if BB had only explained it to him is disingenuous.

I look forward to tonight's revelations in the hope that Aaron will then be forgotten except by his most fervent admirers.

You're not old enough to remember Emily then? Kicked out of Big Brother 8 at 3am in her nightie and no knickers for foolishly using 'The N Word' in what she believed to be a humourous context. There was a huge amount of forum uproar over her having been made to leave the house instantly in the middle of the night and I believe producers themselve subsequently acknowledged that it wasn't the best of choices to boot Emily into the darkness there and then.

Given that history I'd have been more surprised if BB didn't wait to decide the extent to which they were going to sanction Aaron. In contrast to the poster, I would have thought it a markedly more unfair punishment to be ejected instantly without several BB production staff and other stakeholders (e.g. C5) taking a few hours to think about it.

I agree that they let process go ...to see reactions etc
But the limit of that is when it starts encroaching on other's rights and that started really from the early days

"Safety " is not only the physical aspect of it - especially in such an artificial and public environment .

If anyone on the BB staff had any experience in e.g. employment law , HR , etc , they would have identified very early on that Aaron's unwelcome advances were an accident waiting to happen

And I believe that warnings should have been given BEFORE escalation .( to the whole house so ALL HMs knew and could reign in unwelcome behaviour )

The fact that BB allowed it to continue could have led them to believe that it was acceptable so that may be a possible reason for not intervening . (Also most were sleeping )

And there was ample opportunity and grounds for such every day almost when Joel clearly indicated that he was not happy with the advances.

The fact that he didn't articulate this to BB is a non issue in my opinion

But I also accept that not everyone heeds warnings either !

Then again we never know the full story and can only piece together what we are shown

Sign of the times, mate.

Only on this forum, and by a few people with a strange perception of decent behaviour. Otherwise it is universally accepted that the removal was reasonable and proportional. How many complaints would there have been if he hadn't been removed? I will tell you - er! OFCOM would have need to take on extra staff.

Well if you think it was wrong, sign the petition. Here...

I don't believe he should have been removed.

If you cannot see the difference between running about naked and what Aaron did last night then you are beyond help.

You do realise that what he did constitutes a criminal offence, which is why there was a question mark over whether the police would be involved. I will ask again because the people that think it was wrong to remove him will not give me a straight answer - what would have been the result of them not evicting him? Do you really think this forum represents public opinion, or that it is excusable because he is gay? If a straight bloke did that to a woman he would be gone from the house, so why not a gay one.

Indeed, unwanted flashing of his lad and rubbing it against Joel. Why does anyone think that was okay.

Apparently, as Joel shared a bath with Aaron, he was "sending out the wrong signals". I really do despair!

I believe both should have been called into the DR the morning after and the situation could have been assessed when all parties were in better frames of mind.

Aaron went too far, he knew it and apologised to Joel. Joel was uncomfortable by it and made BB aware of that, but I don't believe for a second he would have wanted Aaron removed.

What Joel wanted and what had to happen are two different things.

It is strange how some people think it was okay. If it had been a bloke and a woman the fuss would continue after the fact - as has happened in the past. So why is this okay? Bemused!