Why is Sarah defending Aaron? Aaron was in the wrong to flash himself to Joel when he asked him to stop

Hahaah sarah has the cheek to tell people not to get involved thats ironic

Just because they encouraged it doesn't make it right. Some may have had their own reasons for humiliating Joel.

Whether or not he is in the closet or not (there is no way for sure we can know) it is up for him to decide when he wants to come out. Not Aaron.

And FYI i'm not a Joel fan.

for someone whos supposed to be smart and wants to be a politician he had a hard time saying NO to Aaron

It was a COMMENT in response to your comment not an ACCUSATION. Joel said NO many times. It means no. Aaron is totally aware that Joel is not comfortable with his sexual advances. He was TOLD this earlier in the day during the Truth or Dare. The pillow was NOT thrown in a playful way. It was thrown because Joel couldn't throw a punch.

Joel told us in his DR responses exactly how it all made him feel, why pretend that part of the show never happened. He is a virgin, Aaron is a self professed slut. Aaron was preying on an inexperienced teenager. Excuse it all you like, I can't. in MY world no means no, stop means stop.

she studying law!! How can she not know that aaron should of stopped the moment Joel said no. It doesn't matter if he was giggling or if they were best friends it can astill be an offence

No he didn't...he said it often and in various ways. He was obviously nervous, but it was clear. He said no.

saying stop it while laughing away doesn't count

Indeed. One of his reasons for nominating Joel was because he dressed up and pranced around thinking it was funny, but he didn't as he 'didn't get it'.

Seriously? He did say NO and he said it many times. He also said stop he also said go back to your own bed . Joel also tried to escape Aaron's advances by pacing and moving as far away as he could in that locked room.

In my world no means no. And it doesn't need to be said multiple times either. Just the once is sufficient.

Yes, this comment to me is a problem. Because isn't she sort of implying that Aaron's antics weren't really a joke, and that she herself actually thinks it was some sexual thing which would lead to Aaron and Joel getting it on?

Look, it was either a joke wind-up, or it really was about Aaron getting off with Joel.
Which is it Sarah?
Because if she thinks that it was more about sex then it reveals something very disturbing about how she thinks.
I dread to think how she thought the situation might have ended up.

I honestly think that it's fair to hold the opinion that it was just housemates messing about for a laugh. But really, Sarah's comments about Joel leading Aaron on by the way he dresses up is the worst defence of Aaron which could possibly be made.

Are you actually paying attention to what goes on in the house?

Not saying it was right just saying it wasn't completely wrong either. At least not to the point of being removed from the house. I see both sides to it. In my view since there wasn't a clear set boundary Aaron should've been given a clear warning and have it explained to him and perhaps Joel sit down and speak with him about where the line is that makes him uncomfortable. I think Joel freaked out a bit in how he might be seen when it crossed a certain line but at the same time he didn't make it clear where such a line existed and so i can see the unfairness to both sides of it. I think it could've been worked out in a better way then needing to remove a Houseguest but that's just my opinion.

She wasn't trying to give him advice, though. We don't have a very good picture of what happened, because we haven't even seen footage; we're going by an article from a web site, quoted in the OP. But if the article's right:

* Sarah comments that she thinks she saw Joel smirk when it was announced that Aaron was removed.

* An argument breaks out where Sarah tells him that his behaviour in the wake of Aaron’s departure has been inappropriate.

(Emphasis added.)

It looks like Joel then succeeds in changing the subject to what happened before the eviction, by asking Sarah what she'd have done. But the original context should not be forgotten. Sarah's view has been affected by how she thinks Joel's behaved after Aaron was evicted -- and we know almost northing about what that behaviour's been. For all we know, Sarah's comments would make much more sense if we did.

Joel is more than capable of making himself understood in a very firm manner when he needs to. Perhaps if he had told Aaron firmly instead of following him to the other side of the room not once but twice. He managed to make himself understood when he was relaying it all to BB in the diary room after Aaron had been warned and sent to bed.

oh ok so you made that first accusation and now you keep listing new accusations of me to things i never said.
stop trolling
1. i dont think certain people are legit targets in the house
2. and i dont pretend it never happened
3. and i'm not excusing it.

nobody thought joel was serious when telling him to stop. not All the other hms in the room, and not bb until much later. that is clearly joels own fault at that part in not being forceful and clear enough in what he was trying to say.
words and commands mean nothing unless you can communicate them properly to other people and is understood by them.
look at other responses in this thread like veri's post 69 for instance. or even the post just before mine here. they're saying what i;m saying: that sarah was right about joel not getting his message through to other people.

I think the line was crossed when a naked Aaron grabbed Joel, who had repeatedly, but politely(some people have a problem with this part) said 'No'. I believe a considerably drunk Aaron would possibly not have continued as far as touching/grabbing if the others weren't acting like it was all so amusing.

Many people seem to think that, because the others are laughing, that the situation is benign.....sometimes the motivation can be sinister.
Harriet's involvement is a case in point; she, we now know, was given a warning.

I don't think she was implying that.

Do you reckon if Sarah knew that she was up for eviction she would of said that?

I don't know which HM said it the other day but they said they can't tell when Joel is being serious or not when discussing things. It is quite easy for us on the outside to judge and we all do it.

Some will say Joel was very clear, others will say he won't. There are times he is grinning and running around during that situation, other times he does seem a little awkward. In a few weeks this will all be forgotten about when C5 pull plug on BB for good.

I don't agree with that chain of reasoning. Her point was that Joel had done things she thought encouraged Aaron, not that she thought there was anything wrong with those things in themselves.

So there was no reason for her to be "voicing concerns about Joel wearing women's clothing before this all happened".

Sarah has a point. I don't like any of these HMs any longer but they aren't utterly brain dead and if Joel had made it unequivocally clear that Aaron was upsetting him then the atmosphere would have turned and the "joke" would have been over quick sharp.

It's the same with people pissing Danny and Sarah off going on about their 'will they won't they, do they don't they', in the house. They do this because there's a perception, based upon behaviour, that Danny and Sarah "like" each other. That same perception exists, rightly or wrong, about Joel and Aaron. By the same token no one is ribbing Kieran and Chloe and trying to make them kiss/get together because no perception exists that there's anything between them.

This is not to excuse Aaron's behaviour. He's an utter ****. He's been bullying Joel for some time now and Joel didn't know how to handle it, being so young and inexperienced. I said a while ago about Joel's mixed messages re Aaron and said that anything other than than a forthright and unequivocal NO! is encouragement to an idiot and to that idiot's mates and will only lead to greater problems down the line.

I appreciate that Joel didn't see/understand that and I'm not "blaming" him, just saying that his inability (for whatever reason) to tell Aaron to **** off right from the start, like most of us would have done, is a factor in how we got to this point.

That's not including the subtext in my view, however... there's things leading up to that moment it's not a singular moment in time but many connected moments.

I feel the reason people were encouraging it was obvious, to me at least... as aforementioned that it had been nurtured as playful in perception through various instances... if there was a clear boundary set where it was understood the line in which Joel was "violated" so to speak when crossed... i'm fairly certain someone would've stood up and stopped the situation from escalating.

There's a delicate line to be walked where it becomes victim blaming, that is understood. Which is why i think there definitely should've been some consequences for Aaron but at the same time from my viewpoint and judgement of all that happened i don't think it was fair to be completely removed from the house. Was it fair that Joel was put in that position that he felt crossed a certain line, that wasn't fair either... that's what i'm saying, that i see the unfairness on both sides. However, i feel that the situation could've been handled and resolved in a better way. That's all i'm saying. I see where Sarah's coming from but her passion is betraying her choice of words. She doesn't have the benefit of editing and thinking things out removed from the situation though.

Joel said more than once he didn't want a relationship, that he wasn't gay, that he valued Aaron as 'only' a friend. I don't know how explicit he needed to be.