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Old 07-11-2015, 20:33
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Yeah, Devon, this was on the default APN. To be honest, the 4G 800 was about -120dBm most of the time, but it was definitely not instant, rather 3G, no service, 4G. The moment there was a scent of 3G2100, it doggedly stayed on it despite being unusable. I was unable to try SRVCC/call handling but will when back in Surrey in about a month.
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Old 07-11-2015, 21:51
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Yeah, Devon, this was on the default APN. To be honest, the 4G 800 was about -120dBm most of the time, but it was definitely not instant, rather 3G, no service, 4G. The moment there was a scent of 3G2100, it doggedly stayed on it despite being unusable. I was unable to try SRVCC/call handling but will when back in Surrey in about a month.
To be honest, if there is no smooth transition from 2100 to 800 (with a threshold where you have constant data), there is sod all chance of a call transferring.
I'm going with my theory (and many others) that they rushed this out in an attempt to get one over on EE.
I'm willing to bet there is no SRVCC, let alone reverse SRVCC.

Don't know if you saw it but Lucan posted quite a while ago that EE had working and were actively testing both forward and reverse SRVCC.
As I said in my previous post, I have a feeling EE are going to wipe the floor with Three's effort. (VoLTE on all 3 4G frequencies with bi-directional hand over between 1800, 2100 and 800).
Also I'd like to reiterate I'm not gloating even though I admit I'm an EE fanboy.
I really liked Three and all they stood for. They just seem to have been one big car crash lately. Not sure they can claw it back now.
They will probably end up with 20 of 1400 and 20 of 1800 + the 800 so they should be able to compete (unlike O2). We shall see. Jackso........ no I'm not even going to use it's name.... that bloody puppet and whoever is doing their advertising, they need to go.
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Old 07-11-2015, 22:03
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This proposed mast is very close to an existing EE mast, I wonder if Three can change it to a shared mast using Mobile Broadband Network Limited (MBNL)? If they can they'll need to trim back all the trees that have covered it over since 2001 when it was put up.
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Old 07-11-2015, 22:19
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This proposed mast is very close to an existing EE mast, I wonder if Three can change it to a shared mast using Mobile Broadband Network Limited (MBNL)? If they can they'll need to trim back all the trees that have covered it over since 2001 when it was put up.
It probably is the EE mast scheduled to be MBNL'd. Very unlikely Three would put up a new site alongside an existing EE site.
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Old 07-11-2015, 22:24
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There aren't any new masts being installed except the Government-funded ones, as far as I am aware.
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Old 07-11-2015, 22:25
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Three's marketing really appears to appeal to teenagers and my agegroup. I have yet to fathom why, it just does. Their 800 has pretty good coverage, so even if it can't go from 800 back to their 3G, there aren't too many places the signal'd drop.

Yeah, I get the feeling that EE's going to do it properly. Especially as they know that they'll have us to answer to if they don't!

My 3 Super-voice part 2 video though I think I'll probably end up doing a part 3 covering the SRVCC and quirks.
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Old 07-11-2015, 22:47
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I notice the mast near me that looked like it had been abandoned planing wise earlier in the year now has a new 'notification'. It was taken at the time as a definite and deliberate slowdown of adding 3 old Orange masts.

Paperwork from Daly has EE and 3 logo's on it but application only suggests a new microwave dish is being installed although it's listed as " Installation and Replacement of Telecommunications Equipment".

Mast has an MBNL site no of FKK065.
Letter: http://eplanning.falkirk.gov.uk/onli...ons-625973.pdf
Site plan: http://eplanning.falkirk.gov.uk/onli...lan-625976.pdf

Anyone know if this really will fill in the local not spot and bring some H3G signal?
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Old 07-11-2015, 22:50
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Councils use dynamic links, so I can't access that. What's the app'n number.
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Old 07-11-2015, 22:52
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Councils use dynamic links, so I can't access that. What's the app'n number.
Application is: P/15/0669/TEL
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Old 08-11-2015, 13:57
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I've uploaded the main 2 docs to Dropbox save navigating the planning site:

Letter: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rhtvry3mdo...25973.pdf?dl=0

Site Plan Drawing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kzuou38npz...25976.pdf?dl=0

Does it look like a 3 addition to anyone with experience of this?
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Old 08-11-2015, 14:22
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I've uploaded the main 2 docs to Dropbox save navigating the planning site:

Letter: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rhtvry3mdo...25973.pdf?dl=0

Site Plan Drawing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kzuou38npz...25976.pdf?dl=0

Does it look like a 3 addition to anyone with experience of this?
Looks like a new satellite dish only, no changes to the actual site other than that.
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Old 08-11-2015, 17:05
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I wish they would hurry up and release the update for iPhones,the three site shows I'm in a super pumped area but my signal is none existent ,I keep thinking about moving to ee but I'm dying to see what the update brings
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Old 08-11-2015, 17:11
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I wish they would hurry up and release the update for iPhones,the three site shows I'm in a super pumped area but my signal is none existent ,I keep thinking about moving to ee but I'm dying to see what the update brings
The Three web site shows my local area as being 'super-pumped' but I only occasionally get the 'super-pumped' service for seconds at a time and only 1 bar of signal level on my Edge.

Either 3 are telling lies or they are currently running it on very minimal power.

I double checked how far I am from my transmitter and found that as the crow flies, I am just under 1/2 a mile from it so something is wrong.
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Old 08-11-2015, 17:28
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The Three web site shows my local area as being 'super-pumped' but I only occasionally get the 'super-pumped' service for seconds at a time and only 1 bar of signal level on my Edge.

Either 3 are telling lies or they are currently running it on very minimal power.

I double checked how far I am from my transmitter and found that as the crow flies, I am just under 1/2 a mile from it so something is wrong.
No it's just the way the network priorities are set by the sounds of what others are saying.
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Old 08-11-2015, 17:31
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No it's just the way the network priorities are set by the sounds of what others are saying.
Can you explain that?

If I am right, you mean 3G & normal 4G has priority over 'superpumped' 4G, is that right?

I only get 1 or 2 bars of 3G or 4G signal even though again, I am in a supposedly in an area for excellent coverage for this.
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Old 08-11-2015, 17:35
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You will only pick up Sup-Voice if there is NO 3G. There is no 4G 1800 in areas with no 3G. So basically, you will only get super-voice where you would previously have had NO signal at all.
The priority it 4G1800, 3G2100, 4G800 but the 4G 1800 footprint is smaller than 3G2100.
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Old 08-11-2015, 17:40
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So, is volte just to help fill the gaps where there is poor coverage and I will only ever get volte occasionally and at very low signal level?
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Old 08-11-2015, 18:15
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The Three coverage checker just seems to be completely wrong when it comes to 800MHz.

I've never got more than one bar and that is supposedly in lots of "excellent" coverage areas.
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Old 08-11-2015, 19:08
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Have I missed something? Have Three gone for an even more bizarre name for their 800Mhz? What is this "superpumped 4G"?

I can't believe even Three could make up that ridiculous a name...
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Old 08-11-2015, 19:37
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Have I missed something? Have Three gone for an even more bizarre name for their 800Mhz? What is this "superpumped 4G"?

I can't believe even Three could make up that ridiculous a name...
It's just a quip on the coverage page I think, not a major marketing campaign.
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Old 08-11-2015, 20:47
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I think T-Mobile US have the wisest and easiest term for there lowband LTE rollout. "Extended Range LTE" it's simple not confusing and obvious to anyone.

No idea why Three thinks it needs come up with these odd names for what they do. See if Three had decided follow T-Mobile US with its naming people who aren't part of the mobile tech communitys would understand.

Honestly I think Super Voice is a bit misleading anyway it won't be that much different in call quality to HDVoice anyway.

But the name is the least of Three's 800MHz problems.
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Old 08-11-2015, 23:09
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It's just a quip on the coverage page I think, not a major marketing campaign.
Three are really using "Superpumped 4G"?

Did someone in Hong Kong read the wrong line in a Chinese-English dictionary?

This has to be a pisstake, where on the coverage page?



Honestly I think Super Voice is a bit misleading anyway it won't be that much different in call quality to HDVoice anyway.

But the name is the least of Three's 800MHz problems.
Everyone knows Super Voice, that's been around for a while, this is Three supposedly using "SuperPumped 4G" to describe 800Mhz.
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Old 08-11-2015, 23:47
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Three are really using "Superpumped 4G"?

Did someone in Hong Kong read the wrong line in a Chinese-English dictionary?

This has to be a pisstake, where on the coverage page?
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Yes, didn't you read my message #944 from the 6th Sept?
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Old 09-11-2015, 22:25
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After a difficult phone call with Three today, this new mast will be a shared one with EE. I looked at it today and saw it's now overgrown with pine trees. Will they cut them back and should I tell them about it before the 'live' date of 12 Dec 2015? The existing EE microwave link looked to be blocked as well by the trees. It was painful to get any info out of them. Kept on hold for 20 mins.

(I noticed a 15 degree tilt of a different new mast put up last Christmas but that's on O2, so I'm not really bothered).
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Old 09-11-2015, 22:32
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Agreed that "Super-Voice" is a terrible name.

They should just call in enhanced indoor coverage and be done with it.
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