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Depends what those 400 users are doing surely, that's per cell sector is it you're quoting?
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Yes per sector. I wonder what 3's plans are with 800 we know they are going for 98%, but how dense in each area? Every site or enough for cover the area?
This is the problem with geographic rollout targets, if it was based on indoor population coverage then they would focus on getting sites done where people live. |
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The Three coverage checker just seems to be completely wrong for 800MHz coverage in my experience. Shows full coverage where there isn't; shows no coverage where there is.
I've given up relying on it. |
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The Three coverage checker just seems to be completely wrong for 800MHz coverage in my experience. Shows full coverage where there isn't; shows no coverage where there is.
I've given up relying on it. I use the cellmapper app and I alone am responsible for walking all around my town, up and down every street to map out our new 4G 1800mhz transmission. It's more accurate as it represents the actual signal you get on a phone in that place. |
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Very impressed with Three's 1800Mhz 4G.
From almost nothing to http://i63.tinypic.com/35d7xo3.png http://i68.tinypic.com/24yz88n.png |
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#3006 |
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So in theory am I right, I also was led to believe 10mhz of 800 could handle 400 users before slowing down. I'm sure I read this on another DS forum
5Mhz can handle 200, 10Mhz, 400 and 20Mhz 800 (in other words 200 devices per 5Mhz spectrum). Think about it, lets say 10Mhz gives you a speed test of around 40meg on a good day. That's because it pretty much only you doing a constant download on that cell. Let's now say 400 users are on the cell and all start downloading a large app. That would require 16,000 megabits or 16 Gigabits!!! ![]() That would mean just 10Mhz of 800 spectrum would need to carry 2000 Megabytes per second.!! That would surely be very impressive!!! ![]() No, the maximum (lab conditions) throughput of 10Mhz of 800 (rounded up) is about 75Mbps. That has to shared between those 400 handsets. Now remember a large proportion are going to be either doing the odd blip of background data here and there or basic low data use stuff like browsing. Your normal intermittent Internet use. If however 80 of those people started to stream video, there would be a problem! That's when you start to need a more dense network (so the site can push your handset to a different one) or load your sites with more frequencies (2600 / 1800). A site with 20 of 2600, 20 of 1800 and 5 of 800 would be able to carry about 400 or more Megabits so perhaps 300 devices could stream that video. |
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Ofcom recently commissioned some testing to investigate signal differences between various handsets. I'm not sure if the results are going to be published or whether they will just use them to inform other work like determining appropriate real world thresholds for network coverage. Hopefully it's the former. They've been playing around with thresholds because they know some handsets are poor (particularly when it comes to 2G).
The networks would love the results to be published because they're well aware of the problem but still get blamed for a crap signal by customers with handsets that have poor reception. They can't however tell customers about the problems with specific phones beyond a generic 'handset signal varies between different models' statement because it's forbidden by the commercial agreements they have with the handset manufacturers. http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/mar...ndset-testing/ |
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The one 4G enabled cell site that is near to me is at least giving decent speeds.
http://www.speedtest.net/android/1591990763.png |
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Welwyn Garden City earlier: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1Q...JuOGMzejZMM0dR
Had limited 4G before, but now seems to be fully covered - and what an improvement. Hertford was just as good a week or two ago. |
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Any new sniffs at a carrier update for the IPhone 6 to support VoLTE or are we still looking at 15-16th?
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Any new sniffs at a carrier update for the IPhone 6 to support VoLTE or are we still looking at 15-16th?
Notice the 15th is a Tuesday. Hmmmm... that's EE's new feature rollout day.... The plot thickens..... Or I'm mad... |
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I'm banking on it being the 15th and killing two birds with one stone by enabling VoLTE on EE as well.
Notice the 15th is a Tuesday. Hmmmm... that's EE's new feature rollout day.... The plot thickens..... Or I'm mad... |
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Apple updates are normally on a Tuesday as well I think.
Are we just expecting a carrier update or 9.2 also? |
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Apple updates are normally on a Tuesday as well I think.
I remember it coz everyone went bonkers.... |
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WiFi calling was an iOS / carrier update and that was Tuesday the 7th of April.
I remember it coz everyone went bonkers.... |
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Are we just expecting a carrier update or 9.2 also?
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iOS 9.2 is in the fourth beta now, I can't imagine it's too far away.
Came back to the forum and just browsing and someone just did a short post.. "iOS 8.3 out now!" totally out of the blue. All hell broke loose!! Hahahahaha |
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On the other hand the 15th is mightily close to Christmas and the change freeze might happen before then.
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On the other hand the 15th is mightily close to Christmas and the change freeze might happen before then.
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Blonde moment but the change freeze?
Mainly because there's limited staff around in that period so it's more risky to undertake anything that may cause issues or instability. The operations centres will have less staff and a lot of the specialist engineers don't want to be have to be working on incidents over Christmas so only emergency changes as a result of incidents will be approved in the change control systems by the ITSM teams. |
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From a business continuity viewpoint I would say it would be a bad idea to push it because it is very close to Christmas at that point and if it goes tits up then it'll be a fun week for them. Wait until mid-January and when everyone's back and rested from all the Christmas/New Year chaos and then do it.
From another viewpoint though, it they can only get this out with Apple updates then they may not get another chance to put it out for a long time and they need to start getting people on Supervoice, whether or not it will be flooded, pushing it to the 2 most recent iPhone models at the same time is a good way to do that. |
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From a business continuity viewpoint I would say it would be a bad idea to push it because it is very close to Christmas at that point and if it goes tits up then it'll be a fun week for them. Wait until mid-January and when everyone's back and rested from all the Christmas/New Year chaos and then do it.
From another viewpoint though, it they can only get this out with Apple updates then they may not get another chance to put it out for a long time and they need to start getting people on Supervoice, whether or not it will be flooded, pushing it to the 2 most recent iPhone models at the same time is a good way to do that. |
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From a business continuity viewpoint I would say it would be a bad idea to push it because it is very close to Christmas at that point and if it goes tits up then it'll be a fun week for them. Wait until mid-January and when everyone's back and rested from all the Christmas/New Year chaos and then do it.
From another viewpoint though, it they can only get this out with Apple updates then they may not get another chance to put it out for a long time and they need to start getting people on Supervoice, whether or not it will be flooded, pushing it to the 2 most recent iPhone models at the same time is a good way to do that. It appears this is why Three haven't done the iPhone, Apple have said wait for iOS 9.2 and we'll get that out when we're ready. It's probable EE had their VoLTE ready to roll several weeks ago but are just waiting for the update. |
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Slightly off topic but related, I guess that a mast in my area isn't going to be upgraded this month given what you've just said. Wilkinson Helsby have said the plans have been approved and the site is to be upgraded mid to late December, the site is to have the panels changed to 6 ports and to have 800 added and the SAMO cabinets replaced. What's the chances of this happening this month, slim?
Three have said they'll definitely hit 98% by the end of 2015 and I think they'll be just short if they don't work for the rest of December </sarcasm> |
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I must live in the 2%.
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