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Three do like to do that don't they?
I suppose the cheaper prices justify that in some way although "normal" users wouldn't know what the hell was going on so I'm not sure that's a good angle. One thing is certain.... Mr Tom Bennett (director of services and devices) is not going to allow us to use 800 or VoLTE until it works as expected. I suspect this is as we on here are expecting it to work. 1. Voice over 2600, 1800 and 800 with DCR lower than current 2G/3G. 2. Proper call hand-over between 2G/3G and 4G in both directions that actually works with no "no service" moments in between. (SRVCC and reverse SRVCC working as expected). That's it. Simple. Two points. Point two is a magnitude harder than point one. We ain't getting it till it works... period! I like that.... Top bloke! ![]() Sorry guys. But hey, I'm kind of a Three fan as well......... |
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At this point isn't that a way too big gamble to make, even for them?
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Really?
![]() Vodafone, the complete f*****g arses for not even recognising that Devon even exists. No 3G or 4G across the vast majority of the county (which is quite big and quite affluent) . I mean why wouldn't you connect it unless you were complete tossers and had no idea how to run a mobile network? I can only conclude that whoever is running Vodafone is an arse!!! If he/she wasn't we would surely have 4G and at least 3G now wouldn't we? My cousin missed out on getting tickets to a Lionel Richie concert at the Eden project tonight. Why? Because Vodafone don't cover Totnes with even 3G (a 15 year old technology). She couldn't get online in an affluent South Devon Town of around 5000 population. It makes me mad frankly. That company is run by Wan........ Complete idiots. It has to be doesn't it? Otherwise it would be connected? Can someone offer an explanation? Bearing in mind this is 2015. |
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Well yeah...... I mean..... like they are better than.....
Vodafone, the complete f*****g arses for not even recognising that Devon even exists. No 3G or 4G across the vast majority of the county (which is quite big and quite affluent) . I mean why wouldn't you connect it unless you were complete tossers and had no idea how to run a mobile network? I can only conclude that whoever is running Vodafone is an arse!!! If he/she wasn't we would surely have 4G and at least 3G now wouldn't we? My cousin missed out on getting tickets to a Lionel Richie concert at the Eden project tonight. Why? Because Vodafone don't cover Totnes with even 3G (a 15 year old technology). She couldn't get online in an affluent South Devon Town of around 5000 population. It makes me mad frankly. That company is run by Wan........ Complete idiots. It has to be doesn't it? Otherwise it would be connected? Can someone offer an explanation? Bearing in mind this is 2015. |
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That's not entirely fair. Vodafone do offer EDGE in Totnes. It doesn't work. At all. But they do offer it. Then again, ask any taxi driver what their phone is on and it's VO2. Well nowadays the carphone is on that and they have a smartphone hooked up to 3EE. It's still all messed up but 800 will resolve that and VOD better get their skates on or they are going to lose a lot of customers. They do appear to be finally making an effort but you get the impression that it's too late in the short term. Plus, they are still not doing the rural sites down here. VOD need to pump serious billions into 4G to even look like they are in the game next year.
I tried to reply to this 3 times but I couldn't do it without being horrible to taxi drivers...... |
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Three do like to do that don't they?
I suppose the cheaper prices justify that in some way although "normal" users wouldn't know what the hell was going on so I'm not sure that's a good angle. One thing is certain.... Mr Tom Bennett (director of services and devices) is not going to allow us to use 800 or VoLTE until it works as expected. I suspect this is as we on here are expecting it to work. 1. Voice over 2600, 1800 and 800 with DCR lower than current 2G/3G. 2. Proper call hand-over between 2G/3G and 4G in both directions that actually works with no "no service" moments in between. (SRVCC and reverse SRVCC working as expected). That's it. Simple. Two points. Point two is a magnitude harder than point one. We ain't getting it till it works... period! I like that.... Top bloke! ![]() |
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That's fair for EE. I think it's understandable that Three launched it without perfecting it, they don't have an extensive 2G network across the country to fall back on like EE, and now with 4G 800+VoLTE they kind of do. It's almost the same thing, on EE you will stick to 4G/3G as much as possible and only as a last resort do you drop down to 2G EDGE or god forbid an old Orange 2G site. Same principle with Three now, just that you go up to 4G 800.
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As has been said many times on here, and by Olaf Swantee himself, EE wants to have a 100% 'defect free' network, meaning no dropped calls and no failed data.
VoLTE seems to have the potential to seriously screw with its current failure rate of (from memory) 0.3% which it wants to get down to 0.1%, and then 0%. So, EE has no incentive at all to launch prematurely and mess with something that is seeing more and more businesses signing up to EE, often at the expense of Vodafone. I don't know how long business contracts are, but assume they vary quite a lot. Many tariffs are bespoke, perhaps in return for a commitment of 2 years or more. That works really well for EE, as it must know Vodafone is catching up on the coverage (and capacity side, with the roll out of new fibre to sites) so to lock people in to EE for a few years causes a major headache to Vodafone. |
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Three also don't have huge corporate account like EE do (BT employees for example) to worry about. I'd have thought EE take that kind of thing into account, everything just needs to work or people can't do their jobs.
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On the blog there seems to be a suggestion that you need a text from Three to activate 800. Have those who are receiving 800 had that text or is this yet another load of cobblers from Three? I am seeing no benefit from this so far despite living and travelling in many locations where I should be so trying to get to the bottom of the issue.
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On the blog there seems to be a suggestion that you need a text from Three to activate 800. Have those who are receiving 800 had that text or is this yet another load of cobblers from Three? I am seeing no benefit from this so far despite living and travelling in many locations where I should be so trying to get to the bottom of the issue.
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still only receive 3G indoors which is a shame. Outside in the garden I managed to get 4G long enough to check the field test menu and it's showing 20 which is 800. It drops back to 3G straight away though so my house isn't well served by 3
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No text for me with an S6 Edge.
Just the popup message telling me there was a firmware upgrade. Not that it's been of any use as I only get volte for a few seconds before losing it and frequent periods of no signal despite the lies I get from 3 telling me otherwise. |
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still only receive 3G indoors which is a shame. Outside in the garden I managed to get 4G long enough to check the field test menu and it's showing 20 which is 800. It drops back to 3G straight away though so my house isn't well served by 3
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It's operating as intended, 3G has a higher priority than band 20 4G. I wish people would understand this so we don't get this every page of the thread.
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It's operating as intended, 3G has a higher priority than band 20 4G. I wish people would understand this so we don't get this every page of the thread.
Since there is no threshold, 800 will be lost at the slightest whiff of 2100. |
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It's operating as intended, 3G has a higher priority than band 20 4G. I wish people would understand this so we don't get this every page of the thread.
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#3219 |
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Chill out chaps 😁
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Yes I was guilty of a few posts where I kind of forgot that bit!
Since there is no threshold, 800 will be lost at the slightest whiff of 2100. ![]() I'm not particularly worried about the lack of rSRVCC because I don't know of any other networks offering it and they manage just fine with low DCR. I'm just annoyed about the priorities, it is nigh on impossible trying to explain to the public oh you're in a 4G voice area, but you probably won't be using it because even though 4G voice is new and superpumped we've prioritised 3G instead
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#3221 |
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Indeed, in fact it is worse than I first thought. Originally I believed if a call was started on 800MHz it would continue on 800MHz for the duration until the signal became weak. What seems to be happening is SRVCC to 3G occurs at the earliest possible opportunity, so today I started a call on 800MHz, it handed off to 3G and not long after dropped the call because the 3G was so weak. Bravo Three, just bravo
![]() I'm not particularly worried about the lack of rSRVCC because I don't know of any other networks offering it and they manage just fine with low DCR. I'm just annoyed about the priorities, it is nigh on impossible trying to explain to the public oh you're in a 4G voice area, but you probably won't be using it because even though 4G voice is new and superpumped we've prioritised 3G instead ![]() Surely there must be a way to alter the hand-over threshold separate to when the phone is idle? So 3G would have to be say, -95 or -90 before it jumped? japaul would know probably. Also I would have thought reverse SRVCC would be the most useful when you have no 2G. Meaning that in areas where you would be traveling and the call would drop it would now hop onto 800. Surely that would be amazing. Again though it would need to jump when 3G was about -100 ish. Without it though technically active 3G calls haven't been improved at all. Maybe having 800 lower than 2100 isn't a "thing" you are supposed to do so it can't be made to work properly. God I hope EE have 800 higher than 2100.
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No text for an iPhone user just a carrier update, then it worked straight away.
Nada. Nothing. no change. iPhone 6s+, supposed supervoice area, carrier update 23.1, IOS 9.2 and no go ![]() It will be interesting to see if any other areas get filled in now. |
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I had the update (to 23.1) last night. excitedly I hoped it might fix coverage in an area that is supposedly supervoice, and where most of the place has no signal with occasional 1 bar. ie right on the edge
Nada. Nothing. no change. iPhone 6s+, supposed supervoice area, carrier update 23.1, IOS 9.2 and no go ![]() It will be interesting to see if any other areas get filled in now. Spoke again the Three who basically said I should be getting it and to "give it a few days" ![]() Not sure what they are expecting to change in a "few days" as there is no work planned. He basically said they'd make a note of it but I was the only one to report such a problem - I don't get the impression its something they're going to act on. |
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It definitely looks like my iPad can access 800 for data now. Nothing to do with 9.2, but Three no longer rejects it. However it still goes back to 3G if left idle for a bit.
It doesn't seem to depend on account but device (so putting the same sim in a phone doesn't give access to 800). This is different to EE where it depends on the account (so an EE MBB sim works on 800 for data in a phone where a normal voice sim doesn't). Arguably Three's system is more sophisticated then? |
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So when all is said and done, apart from a few people who can't get any signal where they are and for a few indoors, 800mhz is next to useless as it switches to anything else as soon as it can.
I can get 1800 inside my house and that switches to 2100 for calls and so I have little need for 800mhz. |
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