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Three 4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)
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DevonBloke
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by djscrivo:
“Yep because I remember I wasn't at home and away with work the time it hit my phone and was pulling my hair out at the utterly slow Holiday Inn Wi-Fi downloading it.

Seriously I think it took 3 hours!

I have sent a tweet to three about it but I doubt that will get me anywhere.. we will see! I am thinking maybe its not been enabled on my account/sim by mistake”

Could be but more likely to be what we were saying earlier.
Three's 800 is really thin and crispy (not that many masts are 800).
Map looks great, real life slightly different.
Vodafone on the other hand will have most of their masts on 800.
Why? Because 800 is their base 4G network so it will be much more dense.
You may be in range of Three 800 outside but it could be from 2 miles away.
No good when you go downstairs.
Whereas Vodafone probably have an 800 cell less than 500 metres away.
Kal El
10-12-2015
Finally got a sniff of 800. Had to keep my phone covered to make it loose 3G then managed to get it to find 800. But switched straight back over as soon as I moved.
Brian The Dog
10-12-2015
What a service! Just hide in the basement or stick the phone in your belly button whilst crouching under the coffee table to get Super-Pumped!



Somehow: Making it better!
djscrivo
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“Could be but more likely to be what we were saying earlier.
Three's 800 is really thin and crispy (not that many masts are 800).
Map looks great, real life slightly different.
Vodafone on the other hand will have most of their masts on 800.
Why? Because 800 is their base 4G network so it will be much more dense.
You may be in range of Three 800 outside but it could be from 2 miles away.
No good when you go downstairs.
Whereas Vodafone probably have an 800 cell less than 500 metres away.”

I get ya..

By the way they were banging on about it and calling it 4G Supervoice listing major towns a cities that have it and pointing out it means signal will reach further into buildings, I assumed it would actually do that.

Where's in reality they've switched on one 800Mhz mast on the edge of the city, probably not even in Birmingham but there's a chance one day some one somewhere will connect to it.

Brilliant, typical three!
Kal El
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Brian The Dog:
“ What a service! Just hide in the basement or stick the phone in your belly button whilst crouching under the coffee table to get Super-Pumped!



Somehow: Making it better!”

Did you have a camera on me?
Brian The Dog
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Kal El:
“Did you have a camera on me?”

No I think these are general instructions for use of the wonderful Super-voice service.
Maybe they will appear on the website soon!



Coming soon to ebay: 3 inch lead lined shields so that you can get Super-Voice almost everywhere. (Only 3 people at any one time!)
DevonBloke
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by djscrivo:
“I get ya..

By the way they were banging on about it and calling it 4G Supervoice listing major towns a cities that have it and pointing out it means signal will reach further into buildings, I assumed it would actually do that.

Where's in reality they've switched on one 800Mhz mast on the edge of the city, probably not even in Birmingham but there's a chance one day some one somewhere will connect to it.

Brilliant, typical three!”

You've got it. Spot on.
Thing is the whole Supervoice thing is daft right now anyway.
The only way you'll experience a proper HD 4G voice call is if you are calling someone who is also on Three 800. What are the chances of that??? hahahahahaha
Most people using 800 voice will be calling a landline or a 2G or 3G phone on another network. Since that will be standard voice (or in the case of Vodafone 2G, raspy voice) you aren't going to see (hear) the benefit.
Marvelous.
Tim_Dunne
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by djscrivo:
“I get ya..

By the way they were banging on about it and calling it 4G Supervoice listing major towns a cities that have it and pointing out it means signal will reach further into buildings, I assumed it would actually do that.

Where's in reality they've switched on one 800Mhz mast on the edge of the city, probably not even in Birmingham but there's a chance one day some one somewhere will connect to it.

Brilliant, typical three!”

I've noticed 800mhz near 5 ways where previously there was a dead spot.
I have yet to be somewhere where I can really test this but it's hopefully going to be good in doors.
I think it's a good thing and the network will be better for it.

Yes I think showing blanket 4g on maps when in reality people won't connect isn't good.

But to be honest I don't think a 4g 800mhz with the bandwidth three have will be much different speedwise to a good 3G signal.
DevonBloke
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Brian The Dog:
“ What a service! Just hide in the basement or stick the phone in your belly button whilst crouching under the coffee table to get Super-Pumped!



Somehow: Making it better!”

It is really bad though, joking aside.
How the hell can you advertise a service that no one can use most of the time?
If they had set up both bi-directional idle reselection and active handover it would have been amazing. they clearly think this would result in too many devices on each cell.
It's odd really as a cell can handle 200 active devices (5Mhz) and can supply around 37Mbps to those devices (shared, not each).
In comparison to 10Mhz of 3G2100 (DC-HSDPA), 5Mhz 800 is roughly the same (i.e. LTE is about 4 times more efficient).
Since 3G sort of copes now and 800 will only need to cover outside 3G how can it not cope with that?
It's designed to target indoors but most people indoors will be on WiFi for data so it will be mostly calls I would have thought. Even 200 people making a super HD call (about 32Kbps) would only be about 6-7Mbps of bandwidth and it's able to dynamically adjust the bitrate as well.

I can only conclude that they intend to get a lot more masts active which in turn gives them more capacity for a given area and then possibly change priorities when they have more 4G1800 out there.
neilybealy
10-12-2015
Jeez they need to get more masts sorted. My mobile is virtually unusable where I work now
thebennyboy
10-12-2015
"The network built for the internet".

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1608496722



Desperately need 4G 1800 here.
DevonBloke
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by neilybealy:
“Jeez they need to get more masts sorted. My mobile is virtually unusable where I work now”

Does anyone know Three's plans for 800?
EE have stated that they are going for nigh on 4000 masts with 4G800 across the UK.
That will be mental coverage wise.
Pedro said that Three have about 300 4G800 masts currently active which goes a long way to explaining why the map looks great but it doesn't work.
There must be remote places that suddenly have Three coverage though.
DevonBloke
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by thebennyboy:
“"The network built for the internet".

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1608496722



Desperately need 4G 1800 here.”

Hey your upload is Three times faster than my ADSL download was in 2003. Stop complaining!
GrannyGruntbuck
10-12-2015
The coverage map is a blatant lie.
iTech
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by GrannyGruntbuck:
“The coverage map is a blatant lie.”

Yep. Imagine if you are thinking of joining Three, enter a postcode and a handset and get loads of pink and think that looks good. Join Three and start using it and never get a whiff of 4G. It's bordering on criminal really. I'm raising a complaint (bet there quaking - not) because that's my area all over. V strong 4G 800 but I'll never see it.
thebennyboy
10-12-2015
Three's twitter says there is nothing wrong... I beg to differ. Coverage map claims i should get a wiff of 1800 but it's nowhere to be seen. 800 is fairly good but i have to force it which i can't be arsed doing each time i want to do anything other than browsing the web.
Brian The Dog
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by GrannyGruntbuck:
“The coverage map is a blatant lie.”

Optimistic is the word. But what is the point of it everywhere anyway when you can't get on it for long or at all?
DevonBloke
10-12-2015
It's a bunch of pants........
GavinAshford
10-12-2015
Speaking of map coverage... today's coverage (red) versus December 3rd (blue)

1800: http://gdurl.com/RM0p
800: http://gdurl.com/IFJB

Seem to be quite a lot of new 1800 sites popping up.
Skippy2005
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by GavinAshford:
“Speaking of map coverage... today's coverage (red) versus December 3rd (blue)

1800: http://gdurl.com/RM0p
800: http://gdurl.com/IFJB

Seem to be quite a lot of new 1800 sites popping up.”

1800, seems to have taken a boost. I wonder if they are ramping up rollout?
thebennyboy
10-12-2015
Colwyn Bay is on the list to be enabled by the end of this year. 3 weeks to go and neither mast serving it has been enabled with 1800 or 800...

I work right in the centre of the town and all you get at the moment is 2G fallback.
lightspeed2398
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by GavinAshford:
“Speaking of map coverage... today's coverage (red) versus December 3rd (blue)

1800: http://gdurl.com/RM0p
800: http://gdurl.com/IFJB

Seem to be quite a lot of new 1800 sites popping up.”

Thanks for these. It does like 1800 has really improved. We can only hope there is finally a sign of life at Three.
mupet0000
10-12-2015
I am now no longer able to get on 4G super-voice, and my area is scheduled for maintenence on the 16th. Yesterday I was able to use super-voice, today it goes to no service and then orange 2g fallback in the same location.
GavinAshford
10-12-2015
Has anyone tried putting TinT (Three in Touch) in the device box on Three's coverage checker

http://gdurl.com/YJ3S
thebennyboy
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by GavinAshford:
“Has anyone tried putting TinT (Three in Touch) in the device box on Three's coverage checker

http://gdurl.com/YJ3S”

Interesting.

Would still rather have 800 access and VoLTE done natively by the phone than by their tacky app. I did try it once but it had a habbit of eating my battery so promptly uninstalled it.
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