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4G seems buggered in a lot of places. I am sure it will be fixed and is somehow linked to the 800 roll out.
3G often outperforms 4G right now. |
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#477 |
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Have you checked any of the locations again on the 3 site?
On Thursday evening I checked a number of locations here in Northern Ireland and all were showing planned maintenance for a day or 2 at most over the next 2 week period. Today I check the same postcodes and it says no maintenance planned for any of them. Quote:
The Woodbridge Meadows Site, Guildford is around 8mbps/8mbps on one sector, but I found that going on the other side of the mast (same cell ID aside from last digit), I could get 50/20, so I assume spectrum is a major issue. EE is about 40/20 on all sides.
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#478 |
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Also my "planned maintenance" for the 26th now seems to vanished.
It's most unlike Three to say they are going to do something, only to have it disappear without a trace. [Do I really have to mark that as sarcasm?] |
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#479 |
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I've switched to a 3 SIM from EE for data and have found the 3G to be generally 'snappier' and for the amount I use, 321 is far cheaper. Still got a VOD sim for calls and I suspect any 3G advantage that 3 have over EE is purely down to the amount of users. Lately though, often when I've had a strong 3 4G signal, I get no data at all. Nothing happens. The phone eventually drops down to 3G and all is well. Any ideas on this? 4G with very little backhaul? 800 testing? If it carries on I'll have to switch off 4G for a bit.
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#480 |
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I have a similar issue on one of the masts near my house. It will connect to a strong 4g signal for about 3 seconds and switch to 3g. Contacted three about it who wasn't aware of the issue but now they are and have admitted there is an issue and will be fixed shortly. They say its very complex issue 😐
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#481 |
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Also my "planned maintenance" for the 26th now seems to vanished.
It's most unlike Three to say they are going to do something, only to have it disappear without a trace. [Do I really have to mark that as sarcasm?] It is extremely poor outdoor coverage as you can see where the indoor coverage is from and it's about 3 masts over. |
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#482 |
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Is this a 4G signal that you normally get that's now acting up, or a 4G signal that's new?
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#483 |
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was there for several months, almost a year till about 2 months ago.
I remember when Three was upgrading masts in my area from 3G to 1800MHz 4G, every time they would add 4G to a site, my phone would connect to it briefly, then it would go from 4G to no service, and then connect back to 3G. It would repeat this cycle until some point when they decided to make the 4G go live, then it just worked. But every time they added 4G to a new site, my phone would handover to the new site if it had a better signal and the same thing would occur. This happened 5 separate times as my house gets signal from many different sites. |
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#484 |
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I have been playing with http://www.evrytania.com/lte-tools/7...e-cell-scanner and a cheap and nasty RTL TV stick, and it thinks it can find two or three cell sites at 793.6MHz (they have different IDs). I don't know much about LTE so I don't know how relevant the .6 is.
But anyway, according to http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin...al-results.pdf that's in 3's 800MHz allocation. So I wonder if I'll suddenly be seeing a lot more 4G once it gets switched on to the public? I am in rural Cornwall. There is a nearby 4G site that is in full service but that may well be 1800MHz |
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Switching on 800 at full power would presumably give about a 3x boost in coverage if they're running their current 1800 at a lower power. Considering on how much they're focusing on 800 at the moment I presume (hope so so much) that it'll be a bloody great big boost in coverage.
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#486 |
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The 3 site on Wonersh Semianry that got upgraded to 4G happened very quickly, they only got permission end of March. It has 800MHz listed with a power level of 80, 1800 with power of 320, 2100 at 220 and 2600 at 80. This site also carries EE DS 4G. Waverley WA/2015/0275, GU5 0QX
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The 3 site on Wonersh Semianry that got upgraded to 4G happened very quickly, they only got permission end of March. It has 800MHz listed with a power level of 80, 1800 with power of 320, 2100 at 220 and 2600 at 80. This site also carries EE DS 4G. Waverley WA/2015/0275, GU5 0QX
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#488 |
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If they are only going run 800 at 80 imagine that 1800 reaches further so what is the point.
Could it be the same for this, that 2G is licensed for up to 320 but 4G at 80 will cover a similar distance on a similar wavelength, or even a greater distance on a longer wavelength? That's presuming they are running 2G 1800 at 320 and are only able to run 4G 1800 at 80 the same as 800 and 2600. Also possibly explains 2100 at 220, as each generation goes by it becomes far more efficient. Of course this could all just be total rubbish I'm spouting
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#489 |
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Maybe 80 is the maximum LTE is licenced for in the UK? If it is anything like DTT then analogue signals were about 5X more powerful than digital signals however cover about the same distance broadcasting at 5X lower power.
Could it be the same for this, that 2G is licensed for up to 320 but 4G at 80 will cover a similar distance on a similar wavelength, or even a greater distance on a longer wavelength? That's presuming they are running 2G 1800 at 320 and are only able to run 4G 1800 at 80 the same as 800 and 2600. Also possibly explains 2100 at 220, as each generation goes by it becomes far more efficient. Of course this could all just be total rubbish I'm spouting ![]() Funny you mention DTT it has never quite covered the same area as Analog TV. |
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That will be a big kick in the crotch if after all this time waiting for 800mhz 4g launch from three, they cripple it to same as or less then 1800mhz coverage.. Think I'd leave them purely on principal..
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#491 |
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Pretty sure that Vodafone/O2 are transmitting at higher than 80.
Funny you mention DTT it has never quite covered the same area as Analog TV. And yes DTT doesn't cover the exact same area as what analogue did, but if they were ran at equal power DTT would cover many times more than what analogue could. Quote:
That will be a big kick in the crotch if after all this time waiting for 800mhz 4g launch from three, they cripple it to same as or less then 1800mhz coverage.. Think I'd leave them purely on principal..
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Have you checked any of the locations again on the 3 site?
On Thursday evening I checked a number of locations here in Northern Ireland and all were showing planned maintenance for a day or 2 at most over the next 2 week period. Today I check the same postcodes and it says no maintenance planned for any of them. Is it possible to attach images as I have a screen shot of the work planned in Edenbridge before it disappeared. |
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Three seem to have a new 20GB data sim option: http://store.three.co.uk/view/search...riff=205790100
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I wonder if it's connecting to 800MHz briefly and then dropping you down to 3G as it's not supposed to be public yet.
I remember when Three was upgrading masts in my area from 3G to 1800MHz 4G, every time they would add 4G to a site, my phone would connect to it briefly, then it would go from 4G to no service, and then connect back to 3G. It would repeat this cycle until some point when they decided to make the 4G go live, then it just worked. But every time they added 4G to a new site, my phone would handover to the new site if it had a better signal and the same thing would occur. This happened 5 separate times as my house gets signal from many different sites. Even if it was 800MHz connected, why would they disable the 1800MHz frequency? |
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#495 |
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Yep, all gone now (in all locations). Either we all imagined the work, there was a glitch in the coverage system or Three have pulled putting the work on the coverage checker all the work until some kind of announcement.
Is it possible to attach images as I have a screen shot of the work planned in Edenbridge before it disappeared. |
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Three seem to have a new 20GB data sim option: http://store.three.co.uk/view/search...riff=205790100
I guess that was in reponse to Id Mobile offering a 20GB Data only sim, its still slightly cheaper from ID at £20 / month and Id Mobile also use the '3' network.I'm into my second month of using them, and so far so good. |
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#497 |
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but 4G was working fine there for a long time (at 1800MHz) now all of a sudden it wont connect to 4G for more than 3 seconds before dropping to 3G.
Even if it was 800MHz connected, why would they disable the 1800MHz frequency? As you had 4G before, perhaps this is an issue relating to adding more sites locally - or just a mistake. A mistake you'd think would be spotted quite quickly at Three's NOC. I mean, wouldn't it be quite obvious that nobody was using the site?! |
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- or just a mistake. A mistake you'd think would be spotted quite quickly at Three's NOC. I mean, wouldn't it be quite obvious that nobody was using the site?! Couple of days later back to full 3/4G
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Three seem to have a new 20GB data sim option: http://store.three.co.uk/view/search...riff=205790100
Can you do something different with this 20gb one that you can't do with the other like tether? |
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Tethering on a normal tariff now tops out at 8GB, so MBB is the only way you can legitimately top that.
And BT, TPO and others that offer 20-31GB for similar money all restrict tethering too. Irrespective of whether it works or not (it's still a breach of the terms). |
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