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Old 03-12-2016, 20:22
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Bizarre because the OnePlus One doesn't support 800MHz!!
I'm assuming it means through Three in touch.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:28
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I'm assuming it means through Three in touch.
It can't, the modem physically doesn't support the 800MHz frequency so won't work on VF or O2 800 either. That support page should be taken with a grain of salt anyway as it says the Moto E and Moto G work with 800 over TinT which I, and others, have confirmed to not be the case.
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Old 04-12-2016, 19:15
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It can't, the modem physically doesn't support the 800MHz frequency so won't work on VF or O2 800 either. That support page should be taken with a grain of salt anyway as it says the Moto E and Moto G work with 800 over TinT which I, and others, have confirmed to not be the case.
Three in Touch may use something else to allow these devices to connect via Voice over LTE It may not actually be "VoLTE" but VOIP or something across LTE..

I didn't design the application (Three in Touch) but i certainly know that it is possible.
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Old 04-12-2016, 21:47
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Three in Touch may use something else to allow these devices to connect via Voice over LTE It may not actually be "VoLTE" but VOIP or something across LTE..

I didn't design the application (Three in Touch) but i certainly know that it is possible.
It can do 1800Mhz voip calls if the call starts on 800Mhz, the VOIP call even continues over 3G I believe.
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:04
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Three in Touch may use something else to allow these devices to connect via Voice over LTE It may not actually be "VoLTE" but VOIP or something across LTE..

I didn't design the application (Three in Touch) but i certainly know that it is possible.
I'm not saying the OnePlusOne can't call over InTouch but that it is physically impossible for it to access 800MHz 'Super Voice' through inTouch like Three's site states as the modem inside the phone doesn't support 800MHz LTE.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:15
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It can do 1800Mhz voip calls if the call starts on 800Mhz, the VOIP call even continues over 3G I believe.
I can make a skype call across LTE meaning voice calls can be made over LTE 800Mhz (They may of implemented a different technology)

Three are no stranger when it comes to making up names for technology i.e "Ultrafast" I believe they called it 3.75G at some point or something like that and got told off

Like I said before I didn't design the application Three in Touch and without fully de-compiling the apk of Three in Touch to see how exactly it connects etc, only the developers know for sure how it connects.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:53
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I'm not saying the OnePlusOne can't call over InTouch but that it is physically impossible for it to access 800MHz 'Super Voice' through inTouch like Three's site states as the modem inside the phone doesn't support 800MHz LTE.
I've noticed that they haven't actually used the term "VoLTE" they've replaced it with "Super Voice" It might not mean VoLTE specifically. (Which indicates another type of technology used).
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Old 05-12-2016, 18:55
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I've noticed that they haven't actually used the term "VoLTE" they've replaced it with "Super Voice" It might not mean VoLTE specifically. (Which indicates another type of technology used).
No its VoLTE. Super Voice is marketing BS
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Old 05-12-2016, 20:34
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I can make a skype call across LTE meaning voice calls can be made over LTE 800Mhz (They may of implemented a different technology)

Three are no stranger when it comes to making up names for technology i.e "Ultrafast" I believe they called it 3.75G at some point or something like that and got told off

Like I said before I didn't design the application Three in Touch and without fully de-compiling the apk of Three in Touch to see how exactly it connects etc, only the developers know for sure how it connects.
Thing is, Skype is an over the top data-consuming application. Using that will require a data connection, and the network likely won't be prioritising the Skype traffic. So while it might work fine, if you tried to use it at (say) a commuter railway station in peak times, your call might break up and drop. Also, the data used will be coming from your data allowance. Fine if you've got AYCE but perhaps not what you'd desire if you're trying to be careful with 1-2GB of data per month.

VoLTE (or Supervoice, as Three have marketed their implementation) is, uh, more difficult. Sure, it's still ultimately data going over the 4g network, but the way the network treats it is different: priority over other data for one, to ensure the call quality stays good. Ensuring the data used for the calls isn't taken from your data allowance for two. The real sticking point is handing over from a 4G call, where the call is IP data, over to 3G or 2G, where the call is circuit-switched. There are certainly a lot of headaches and issues to overcome; it's not as simple as layering Skype over the top and declaring it solved in the long-term.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:41
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Thing is, Skype is an over the top data-consuming application. Using that will require a data connection, and the network likely won't be prioritising the Skype traffic. So while it might work fine, if you tried to use it at (say) a commuter railway station in peak times, your call might break up and drop. Also, the data used will be coming from your data allowance. Fine if you've got AYCE but perhaps not what you'd desire if you're trying to be careful with 1-2GB of data per month.

VoLTE (or Supervoice, as Three have marketed their implementation) is, uh, more difficult. Sure, it's still ultimately data going over the 4g network, but the way the network treats it is different: priority over other data for one, to ensure the call quality stays good. Ensuring the data used for the calls isn't taken from your data allowance for two. The real sticking point is handing over from a 4G call, where the call is IP data, over to 3G or 2G, where the call is circuit-switched. There are certainly a lot of headaches and issues to overcome; it's not as simple as layering Skype over the top and declaring it solved in the long-term.
How do you know there isn't a line of code within the apk that connects it to a proxy server that connects the call through a compressed voip service to free up bandwidth?
It's only assumptions until we've sat down and sit through all the code of the mobile application.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:36
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Someone could ask Three or the company that makes the app. It makes similar apps for other operators, so probably has a lot of detail on how it works for potential customers.
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Old 06-12-2016, 17:47
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How do you know there isn't a line of code within the apk that connects it to a proxy server that connects the call through a compressed voip service to free up bandwidth?
It's only assumptions until we've sat down and sit through all the code of the mobile application.
Compression isn't the problem - all voice is compressed in some way. Even circuit switched voice.

The point being made is that 3's own application doesn't touch the internet (except when using wifi). That means 3 has full control from end to end, and they will have tried to ensure that traffic between your phone and the inTouch gateway (or its "proper VoLTE" equivalent) is prioritised.

3 will likely not be doing the same with generic SIP VoIP or Skype etc.

3 will not be passing it through a third party VoIP system. That much is guaranteed, and you don't need to look at any code to confirm it. It will be server(s) in a 3 data centre or MSC somewhere.
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Old 07-12-2016, 15:06
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Has anyone noticed three have started doing native wifi calling?

http://www.three.co.uk/discover/three_intouch
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Old 07-12-2016, 15:37
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Has anyone noticed three have started doing native wifi calling?

http://www.three.co.uk/discover/three_intouch
Yes keep up!
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:12
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Has anyone noticed three have started doing native wifi calling?

http://www.three.co.uk/discover/three_intouch
Bare in mind, wifi calling only kicks in when there is no 3 signal what so ever.

Unlike EE where the it uses it as priority
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Old 07-12-2016, 19:24
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Bare in mind, wifi calling only kicks in when there is no 3 signal what so ever.

Unlike EE where the it uses it as priority
If that's true I can't really understand why.

A good wifi signal is almost always preferable to a middling or bad 3G signal.

My dad lives on the very edge of 3G coverage and while 4G/supervoice is available, the way 3 have the network priority set up means he almost never sees it. He has 80Mbit fibre. EE-style "wifi over everything else" would be ideal for him.

Does anyone know if 3 will "reactivate" a home signal box? I still have mine from when I was a customer, 3 never seemed to want it back. It would be ideal for him too.
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Old 08-12-2016, 13:52
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I have found the opposite, WiFi has been far more problematic than weak 4G. I've ended up disabling WiFi calling and only enabling when needed. Maybe it's a handset issue?

I guess it's a case of YMMV.
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Old 27-12-2016, 10:57
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Map updated again , getting to be a reasonable coverage now. Needs a few more masts yet though. Louth hint, hint.
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Old 27-12-2016, 11:14
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Who used to do those nice purple and red maps, haven't seen any of those for ages.
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Old 27-12-2016, 11:26
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I'm now with BT/EE and the difference is night and day. No drop outs or data hanging when it wont transfer from 4g back to 3g Ohh and no congestion either.

Granted the Bt mobile deal is a tad more expensive than my three deal but with the fon hotspots and the fact the network is far better negates that
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Old 27-12-2016, 11:59
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I'm now with BT/EE and the difference is night and day. No drop outs or data hanging when it wont transfer from 4g back to 3g Ohh and no congestion either.

Granted the Bt mobile deal is a tad more expensive than my three deal but with the fon hotspots and the fact the network is far better negates that
No congestion on BT/EE? None at all? Yeah dream on mate.
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Old 27-12-2016, 15:13
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No congestion on BT/EE? None at all? Yeah dream on mate.
EE is congestion-central on still-to-be upgraded 3G masts. And there are plenty of them still around in the rural areas of South Cheshire and Shropshire.
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Old 27-12-2016, 21:45
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Just a quick question - If I get a tablet with Three, will the 800Mhz signal be compatible with it? The tablet will probably be a Samsung.
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Old 27-12-2016, 22:08
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Just a quick question - If I get a tablet with Three, will the 800Mhz signal be compatible with it? The tablet will probably be a Samsung.
One thing for sure is that you won't be able to run a tablet on a mobile phone contract or PAYG. I mean you might use it for looking at things on the internet and other totally unacceptable things like that.
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Old 27-12-2016, 22:43
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EE is congestion-central on still-to-be upgraded 3G masts. And there are plenty of them still around in the rural areas of South Cheshire and Shropshire.
Sounds like those are still on the original 2mbps backhaul, hopefully they will be a priority for upgrade in 2017. Probably orders have been in for a year for the backhaul knowing some of the telcos
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