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Old 06-09-2015, 00:24
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The iPhone 5 I believe was only designed for EE 4G in the UK and marketed by Apple (and EE) only for them.
iPhone 5 did quite a lot of bands for 4G/LTE but was being designed whilst Europe was still debating and hadn't launched any networks. EE and Three in the UK, and a network in Germany that have 1800 4G are suitable.

The iPhone 5 was the first iPhone to support DC-HSPA the 3G/UMTS speed enhancement and this has only really been deployed in Europe in any big volume.

Yes, the iPhone 5 was targeting the US just started LTE market - and since the 5s was only a year later and supports a _LOT_ of LTE bands, it shows the antenna development at Apple was underway and not finished. iPhone 6 supports an insane amount of LTE bands in one device.
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Old 06-09-2015, 00:28
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But we still don't know if this 800mhz is for general 4G data users, for VoLTE use only or for all to use.

If it's for all types of 4G users then that may placate Three from some of the flack for their 4G roll-out err umm let's call it, shortcomings. If they roll out all this 800mhz covering areas that have had to put up with only 3G up till now and they then only use it for their latest scheme of VoLTE, then their will be some seriously annoyed people come 10th.

Then again if it is for all users then it's going to be so congested that 3G will seem fast!
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Old 06-09-2015, 00:32
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OK, thanks for that, I did wonder if the sample size might be too small. what is your postcode sector? (the next number in your postcode?)

I'm re-running the scraping to include 3 postcodes (alphabetically first, middle and last) per postcode sector, hopefully that'll cover a wider range of postcodes.
HA88

SO HA88YG and HA87YS and HA89UB are all postcodes I am in very, very often.

Thank you.
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Old 06-09-2015, 08:21
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Probably way over my head but what programme or programming language are you using to interrogate the website?

And also, if your programme is constantly interrogating the site, isn't that they same as a DOS attack? (Not that I care! )
Its just a powershell script, using the Invoke-WebRequest method, and looping that for each postcode in my list, passing a different postcode to the method each time.
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../hh849901.aspx

Yes, it is a similar, but (hopefully!) Three's websites servers are much more powerful than my pc sending a single synchronous call per second so it isn't going to cause an issue.
From my understanding, DDOS (Distributed DOS) is more of an issue where thousands (or more?) nodes all sending asynchronous calls (ones that dont have to wait for a response) to a website, and its the volume and frequency of all those calls that is greater than what the website can handle and serve.

HA88

SO HA88YG and HA87YS and HA89UB are all postcodes I am in very, very often.

Thank you.
Thanks for that, I'm glad you said, I've had to adjust my method again and instead of getting the last postcode in a sector i'm now getting one from ~90% of the way through. The last postcode, often ending with ZZ, seemed to return 'no coverage', its likely those are non-geographic postcode or something.
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Old 06-09-2015, 08:47
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..areas that have had to put up with only 3G up till now and they then only use it for their latest scheme of VoLTE,
Three upgraded standard 3G to HSDPA and then HSPA+ and then DC-HSPA and was already in a much stronger data network position prior to 4G rollout. I'd hardly call widespread dual-carrier coverage "putting up with" as it many ways the functionality is indistinguishable for the average user who wants to stream, download or browse.

They do have a 4G rollout and that expands each month, albeit continual improvement of the network each year as they have done since 2003, rather than O2 / Vodafone's multi-billion pound catch-up because of a previous lack of investment.
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Old 06-09-2015, 12:03
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HA88
SO HA88YG and HA87YS and HA89UB are all postcodes I am in very, very often.
Thank you.
Also can you include HA89SP

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Went for a drive last night towards Edgware and the Farm Road mast seems to be down on 4G but great on H+
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Old 06-09-2015, 13:44
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If they roll out all this 800mhz covering areas that have had to put up with only 3G up till now and they then only use it for their latest scheme of VoLTE, then their will be some seriously annoyed people come 10th.
Presumably, the areas that are waiting to see 4G aren't plagued with congested HSPA.

i.e. my area - DC-HSPA is everywhere, speeds are fine. 4G will be nice, but not essential. 800Mhz and VoLTE really is mostly about drastically improving in building coverage. I am more irritated that they keep making and breaking promises
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Old 06-09-2015, 13:47
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Also can you include HA89SP

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Went for a drive last night towards Edgware and the Farm Road mast seems to be down on 4G but great on H+
4G was also down on the one up the road by the petrol station. Been like that for months now.

If you check the postcodes ot says they are aware of problems since 15 March till 7th September and they are doing all they can to fix the issues.

We'll see what happens on 10th.
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Old 06-09-2015, 13:55
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Presumably, the areas that are waiting to see 4G aren't plagued with congested HSPA.

i.e. my area - DC-HSPA is everywhere, speeds are fine. 4G will be nice, but not essential. 800Mhz and VoLTE really is mostly about drastically improving in building coverage. I am more irritated that they keep making and breaking promises
Agreed but what if (and that's if) they only use it for VoLTE; how will that help people who want data inside buildings and either it's only for VoLTE use and so no data allowed or that the person has a 800mhz 4G phone but is not on Ze List! ?
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:00
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4G was also down on the one up the road by the petrol station. Been like that for months now.

If you check the postcodes ot says they are aware of problems since 15 March till 7th September and they are doing all they can to fix the issues.

We'll see what happens on 10th.
March, April, May, June, July, August, September...

That's one hell of a problem! They could have ripped the whole thing down and installed a whole new mast in less than that time!
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:04
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Agreed but what if (and that's if) they only use it for VoLTE; how will that help people who want data inside buildings and either it's only for VoLTE use and so no data allowed or that the person has a 800mhz 4G phone but is not on Ze List! ?
Well, it's just tough.

I don't have a VoLTE handset but I'm not crying over it. If I want it, I'll get a phone that'll do it. Simple.
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:14
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Agreed but what if (and that's if) they only use it for VoLTE; how will that help people who want data inside buildings and either it's only for VoLTE use and so no data allowed or that the person has a 800mhz 4G phone but is not on Ze List! ?
I doubt it will be "only for VoLTE", that is pointless as you'd use some QoS mechanism to allow normal data to flow freely but VoLTE calls get ultimate priority.

The issue is whether they will let any 800MHz phone use the 800MHz network. If 3 doesn't allow at least every 4G phone they've sold, there'll be outrage. "My phone was sold as 4G capable but it doesn't work on all of your 4G network?"
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:27
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March, April, May, June, July, August, September...

That's one hell of a problem! They could have ripped the whole thing down and installed a whole new mast in less than that time!
On each new day it gets extended by a day as well.

Don't k ow what the hell they are doing. In the next down to me in Stanmore near and around Sainsbury's no signal.at all. Wasn't working 2 days ago worked yesterday and today nothing again. Getting quite ridiculous now at how many places around my area are facing issues. Postcode is HA7 4DA all could be to do with the 800Mhz switch on.
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:36
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http://s14.postimg.org/d1rovy2n5/wp_...50906_0001.png

That's for one of the areas and its the same for so.many postcodes 2 miles.or.more away from each other. I cancelled one of my contracts without charge due to this. I'm getting sick of them, only because I'm still on the £15 oneplan why I haven't switched to BT as my main phone. Lets hope the 10th brings something amazing.
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:46
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I doubt it will be "only for VoLTE", that is pointless as you'd use some QoS mechanism to allow normal data to flow freely but VoLTE calls get ultimate priority.

The issue is whether they will let any 800MHz phone use the 800MHz network. If 3 doesn't allow at least every 4G phone they've sold, there'll be outrage. "My phone was sold as 4G capable but it doesn't work on all of your 4G network?"
But with everyone using 800mhz for calls, won't that be the most congested 4G in the history of 4G? It's bad enough with people just using 4G for data before adding voice calls on top. So it may turn out to be a bit of a white elephant.
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:49
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Well, it's just tough.

I don't have a VoLTE handset but I'm not crying over it. If I want it, I'll get a phone that'll do it. Simple.
Well, as you don't mind just throwing money away, (and a perfectly good phone) you can buy me one whilst you are shopping.
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:50
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But with everyone using 800mhz for calls, won't that be the most congested 4G in the history of 4G? It's bad enough with people just using 4G for data before adding voice calls on top. So it may turn out to be a bit of a white elephant.
Not if they continue to improve on 1800Mhz and 2100Mhz.
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:52
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But with everyone using 800mhz for calls, won't that be the most congested 4G in the history of 4G? It's bad enough with people just using 4G for data before adding voice calls on top. So it may turn out to be a bit of a white elephant.
That would have to be an awful lot of voice calls - and if it got to that, 3 could probably force some of them onto 3G. 1800MHz LTE may come in time to the 800MHz only areas which will help even more.

Actual data usage is more likely to cause congestion than a few people on the phone (especially in rural areas)
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Old 06-09-2015, 14:58
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That would have to be an awful lot of voice calls - and if it got to that, 3 could probably force some of them onto 3G. 1800MHz LTE may come in time to the 800MHz only areas which will help even more.

Actual data usage is more likely to cause congestion than a few people on the phone (especially in rural areas)
We'll have to wait and see what the future holds. (And thank you for being able to hold a normal conversation. A skill sadly lacking with some it seems.)
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Old 06-09-2015, 15:00
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Not if they continue to improve on 1800Mhz and 2100Mhz.
I love your optimism in the face of history!
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Old 06-09-2015, 15:43
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Hi totally off topic, as discussed in the past few days I'm waiting for 800 VoLTE to go live. My question is has anyone any experience of using feel like home in New York and Washington DC, I'm going in January. I've read some horror story's on the 3 forums of poor speeds non connections etc... Although the latter is more to do with roaming not being setup I imagine.

Or should I continue with Voda with world traveller despite the cost and then switch to three when I get back.

Thanks.
Anyone?
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Old 06-09-2015, 16:06
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On each new day it gets extended by a day as well.

Don't k ow what the hell they are doing. In the next down to me in Stanmore near and around Sainsbury's no signal.at all. Wasn't working 2 days ago worked yesterday and today nothing again. Getting quite ridiculous now at how many places around my area are facing issues. Postcode is HA7 4DA all could be to do with the 800Mhz switch on.
I have the same thing at my postcode. From May11th.. Like someone said, a new mast could of been built in less time
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Old 06-09-2015, 17:32
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I think it would be a shame for Three to limit 800MHz to solely VoLTE devices.

I find myself using my smartphone as a phone less and less (and I'm pretty sure that's the general consensus) and data is key to me, so for me I see 800MHz as a way to extend my data use, not as a way to make more phone calls.
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Old 06-09-2015, 17:37
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Strangely, I'm hoping for decent 800MHz coverage in my area as a way to extend my battery. In my Faraday cage of an office my phone can barely get a signal and spends all day pinging from cell to cell desperately trying to stay connected. I have to use an external battery pack just to get it through the day.

Mind you, I'm not sure my "elderly" HTC One M7, unlocked and using Cyanogen, will be allowed to connect to the 800MHz signal anyway...
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Old 06-09-2015, 17:42
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I take it the 3 coverage checker has been weird for everyone today, not just me?

Formatting is all over the place
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