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Thanks japaul, I understand why coverage can vary in the same place a bit more now, I've always wondered what SIB19 ment on my service report on the Samsung,
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvp524i7u2...-26-1.jpg?dl=0 Any idea what the bits with a question mark next to them are all about? RX: 10588 is your downlink frequency expressed as a channel number. For 2100MHz just divide it by 5 to get the frequency so 10588/5=2117.6MHz which is the central point of one of Three's carriers. The others you might see on Three are 10564 and 10612. TX: 9638 is exactly the same as above but for the uplink frequency. CID is your cell id. RI (short for RSSI), EcI0 and RSCP are measures of your signal. Obviously this could get complicated but if you search for these terms you'll find plenty of explanations. Come back and ask if something isn't clear. RSCP is probably the most useful and is usually used when assessing "how good your signal is." The AMR/Speech bit refers to the voice codecs available. It seems you only have FR (full rate). You might also see EFR (enhanced full rate) which is better or adaptive multi rate (AMR) which has a variable bit rate. I think the AMR line says AMR-WB (wideband) if you have HD voice. MIPI is an organisation which defines specs for a lot of the interfaces used in mobile hardware but I'm not sure what the message is confirming exactly. |
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#102 |
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That screenshot looks like a samsung? How does one access that menu?
Not sure if my old S2 can do it, but worth a go. Wish my Sony Z2 could see stuff like that.. can it? |
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#103 |
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*#0011# I dont think it works on all Sammy roms though
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#104 |
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The AMR/Speech bit refers to the voice codecs available. It seems you only have FR (full rate). You might also see EFR (enhanced full rate) which is better or adaptive multi rate (AMR) which has a variable bit rate. I think the AMR line says AMR-WB (wideband) if you have HD voice..
Would normally be AMR on 3G (or AMR-WB for HD voice). You should only see HR/FR/EFR on GSM networks (you might also get a version indication V1/V2 etc), although could also be AMR on GSM. |
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For the speech related lines you'll need to be in a voice call for these to populate properly as the codecs are only negotiated when you setup a call.
Would normally be AMR on 3G (or AMR-WB for HD voice). You should only see HR/FR/EFR on GSM networks (you might also get a version indication V1/V2 etc), although could also be AMR on GSM. Anyway, I tried someone else's S5 on Three 3G earlier and this is what was listed (not in a call) AMR-WB 12.65 kbit/s Speech VER: AMR EFR FR |
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Is this the japaul vs RAN Man challenge??
Hahahahah As usual, I learn a lot from you guys. Don't ever leave!
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Thanks again japaul & ranman you've helped me understand a lot more on the Samsung service screen now, as Devon said, learn a lot from you guys thanks..
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Little Friday night question.. Can anyone confirm or deny my little conspiracy theory..
It's quite rural telecommunication wise in this part of Shropshire, Staffordshire & Cheshire, many of the rural masts seem to fall into 2 categories, large old sites like these: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q1yk1uibgc...46-04.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/6lcyihtgfe...52-23.png?dl=0 And orange sites which all look like one another, smaller, thick solid pole with a tight small array of 3 antenna on top (can't find a pics at the moment) all still 2g The large ones in the pictures of which there are many around here are always multiple operator sites, no idea who originally installed them but sitefinder always lists the same operators on them, Vodafone (gsm), T Mobile (gsm), Three (umts) now in MBNL. Question 1: All networks except Three could/would only provide 2g services from these masts yet Three provided 3g? No adequate backhaul seems to ever have been provided for this as speeds on EE and three from several of these sites still only get to a max of 1mbps at 4am and fail to provide any data or 0.02mbps during the day. Was this standard practice backhaul and speeds for three before MBNL and have the 2 networks since just forgot or never bothered to upgrade them? As they fall well short of any standard above 2g edge really and shouldn't be called 3g as they barely work Question 2: The conspiracy... In 1 or 2 of these rural areas EE has started to provide 4g, even double speed recently, how are they doing this? Microwave? Doesn't seem like they've upgraded the backhaul at the site, or if they have its not being shared with 3g (MBNL) as both networks speeds are still in the 1990s, I thought both networks shared backhaul and when 1 got upgraded they both did? I'm wondering if EE are being crafty and bypassing MBNL and any possible easy three 4g upgrade by microwaving in there own backhaul for 4g only or even upgrading a old nearby orange 2g mast which is obviously not yet in MBNL to the new 2g/4g kit so they can get great speed in the area whilst not helping out the competition now or in the future. I'm the wrong side of a few local real ales tonight so this could all be nonsense. Any thoughts? |
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I'm wondering if EE are being crafty and bypassing MBNL and any possible easy three 4g upgrade by microwaving in there own backhaul for 4g only or even upgrading a old nearby orange 2g mast which is obviously not yet in MBNL to the new 2g/4g kit so they can get great speed in the area whilst not helping out the competition now or in the future. |
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The large ones in the pictures of which there are many around here are always multiple operator sites, no idea who originally installed them but sitefinder always lists the same operators on them, Vodafone (gsm), T Mobile (gsm), Three (umts) now in MBNL.
I suspect this mast (and likely those in your photos) got T-Mobile 3G first, then Three when MBNL arrived. The reason T-Mobile 3G isn't listed on Sitefinder but 3 is, will be because T-Mobile stopped updating Sitefinder in 2005, but 3 carried on until 2012. |
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o2 HD VOICE
Hiya. I haven't seen anyone on the forums mention this yet, I can't quite believe my eyes but o2 are now officially rolling out HD voice across the network. Not before time either as the call quality was the one of the main reasons I left o2 along with switching down to 2G for no reason despite a good strong 3G signal and sticking on o2 for a long time sometimes up to an hour!
http://news.o2.co.uk/2015/06/15/o2s-...ites-counting/ |
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I suspect that is the plan as ehu help 3 out. We are similar here, local 2g mast is just still the same, no sign of change yet we are on the fringe of outdoor 4g double speed.
I can only assume this comes from a 3g mast but goes further in range because of the frequency? Of course if EE want the indoor coverage all these 2g masts need to get upgraded. |
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Whats going on with the 3 coverage checker there is some box to check if your phone is compatible (maybe volte) but it don't work,
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Probably just to see if it's a 4G capable phone I'd imagine
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Three were giving out free portable chargers with #makeitright on in Piccadilly Gardens today in Manchester. Glad I grabbed one to charge my battery one the way to London as I'd left my charger at the office. It's only 2200mAh though.
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So in Three's latest advert they are singing the praises of 4G whilst displaying a message at the bottom about 'Only where 4G is available' - Isn't that a kick in the nuts for people not in such areas? IE That's a lot of people.
"Making it right"? No you are not! (At least anytime soon!) |
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Making it a right f**k up more like.
I do wish big corporates would not do this making it right shit. What they want is to "make more money" which they could do by investing and getting services to everyone. That's the holy grail. EE are on the right track but are chasing numbers (98%). Don't bullshit us, just say you want to make squillions of quid and you are going to do it by providing 95% geographic coverage so we are all connected all the time but we may have to pay for it. I'll buy into that! |
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Joined three a few weeks ago so far not impressed. Internet OK but hardly ever getting a signal which never happened with previous provider talkmobile. My brother been with three a while and said its always been like that for him. Could of told me before I joined.
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It's true, mobile operators have always been about providing the minimum service they can get away with for maximum profits, look at Vodafone/O2, if they really cared about customers they would have provided 3g across the network on all masts where physically possible, but choose not to for as long as possible until now they have to to keep in the mobile communications game, even now it will be interesting to see in 2 years time to what extent they've rolled out 3g/4g, three and EE are just as bad, three uses the mbnl group of masts which consists of three and the mobile (ee) masts, when EE was formed with the merger of orange and T mobile, network consolidation took place and where overlapping masts occurred they were turned off, so those left on obviously fill holes in coverage, where these are orange masts not in mbnl you'd think three would be trying to add there network to these sites or have one nearby as it's clearly a hole in there coverage at present, but no, same for EE, boasting it's Internet credentials, yet it still has many 2g only masts in many areas providing little or know data, not just for those who live there but anyone passing through, if they truly cared about coverage they'd have these on a higher priority then setting up 150mbps connections for limited places of little benefit. But hey, EE like them all is a business not a public service, so it's wrong for three to try and come across as one, when they clearly don't act like one.
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Joined three a few weeks ago so far not impressed. Internet OK but hardly ever getting a signal which never happened with previous provider talkmobile. My brother been with three a while and said its always been like that for him. Could of told me before I joined.
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Last few months have improved for me if I'm honest (Shrewsbury - Home and Telford - Work).
Work now has blanket 4G of between 20-50mbps based on the time of day, home has 3G but at 10 or so, with 4G appearing down the road the other day at a speedy 70mbps - in Shrewsbury! |
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So in Three's latest advert they are singing the praises of 4G whilst displaying a message at the bottom about 'Only where 4G is available' - Isn't that a kick in the nuts for people not in such areas? IE That's a lot of people.
"Making it right"? No you are not! (At least anytime soon!) I think some people will still moan if they gave the whole service free and launched 5G tomorrow. |
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I would.... I mean where the **** is 6G God dammit!!!!!
Hahahahahaha |
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#124 |
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finally have 4G in my postcode woohoo - regualarly hitting 50mb
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Three's coverage with 4G is laughable outside of Cities and Major towns. For example, its completely possible to drive across from Aberystwyth to Milton Keynes and never see a whiff of 4G. The same trip from Holyhead to Mansfield is also devoid of 4G until you reach Mansfield.
More locally, 3 are lagging a long way behind EE, Crewe, Congleton, Winsford, Middlewich, Holmes Chapel, Sandbach, Tarporely, Buxton, Matlock all blazing away on EE 4G - whilst Three's 4G seems to end at Chester and doesn't really get going again until you reach Stoke or Stafford and even then its restricted to the Centre. A lot of these Towns also already have 4G from both O2 and Vodafone, and its just Three which is lacking and playing catch up with all of the other networks - which just highlights again, how poor Three's 4G roll out really is If it concentrated on kicking its roll out into high gear instead of making stupid adverts it may start getting somewhere. |
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