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Old 13-09-2015, 21:38
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If you are on a call then it would be handover (not reselection) which means the phone doing what the network tells it to do at that time so the network is in control. With reselection the phone is in control and it decides what to do (but taking into account the priorities and thresholds it has already learnt from the network). So the behaviour on reselection can be totally different to handover.
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Old 13-09-2015, 21:47
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Yeah, great job Gavin except now I feel like I should do more testing on the iPad. Damn, those red areas aren't so far away.
There is a lot of purpley areas though where there'll be outdoor 3G/4G1800 to take priority over the 800 that's lurking in the background. I guess this is really what Three are wanting for their indoor coverage.
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Old 13-09-2015, 21:50
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Very interesting, I hadn't thought about the two separately before.

I think that just leaves one last question from me, if the priority was set to 1800/800/2100, and a phone was idling on 1800, if a call came through would the phone switch to 800 or would it switch to 2100?
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Old 13-09-2015, 21:50
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So is it looking likely that there'll be no power increase on the 1800mhz output in the near future? It's so frustrating as at home and work I'm literally only just missing out on the signal
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Old 13-09-2015, 22:01
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More work in my area on the 15th and 16th. That's now about 5 days over the last 3 weeks. The last work took it form no 4G to a bit of 4G outdoors to lots of indoor and outdoor 800. Just wish I had some bloody way of testing it (that didn't require me to spend a fortune on an S5 or LGG4 (from Tuesday I think).
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Old 13-09-2015, 22:45
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Very interesting, I hadn't thought about the two separately before.

I think that just leaves one last question from me, if the priority was set to 1800/800/2100, and a phone was idling on 1800, if a call came through would the phone switch to 800 or would it switch to 2100?
If there's volte then it can stay on 1800. If no volte, then it would have to be CSFB to 2100. Or have I missed what you mean?
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Old 13-09-2015, 22:48
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If there's volte then it can stay on 1800. If no volte, then it would have to be CSFB to 2100. Or have I missed what you mean?
I think Denco means that if VoLTE is available on 800 only. Would it drop back to 800 to make the call through VoLTE or would it use CSFB onto 2100 to make the call?
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Old 13-09-2015, 22:55
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Oh I see.

The priority wouldn't matter as it would do what the network tells it to do and I think that would be CSFB. The later specs do allow it to then jump from CS to volte but I don't know what Three are running.
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Old 13-09-2015, 22:56
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It would use CSFB to 2100.
While on 1800 4G voice would be registered in 3G.
Same as before 800 was turned on.
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Old 13-09-2015, 23:36
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Lots of red zones on that map around where I live, just wish I had a S5 which had three software to try things out, thinking now about how little 800mhz spectrum three have it makes sense to have it down at priority Z, last resort, or it would be totally swamped. Not quite the wall to wall 4g 800mhz I had in mind to improve my life so might be the bullet and move networks now for 12 months and see where it all shakes down.

On a totally unrelated matter now, I remember someone complaining about 3g speeds on Congleton a few months ago, I passed through today and they are bad! That water tower mast needs blowing up, took about a minute to start giving data then it was (what all mbnl masts seem to get when they have crap backhaul) 0.25mbps max.
The street mast the other end of town gave a respectable 6mbps but it doesn't seem to cover a big area, mbnl do seem to have quite a few sub 0.5mbps masts around, they really do need to start improving them..
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Old 13-09-2015, 23:59
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Anything sub 0.5 is going to be legacy Orange.
Still some around here and in my immediate vicinity 4 Orange GPRS masts.
They gotta do them soon surely?
It is EE though as Lucan says!!
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Old 14-09-2015, 00:16
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I had another go with my Nexus 6 trying to get it to connect to 800, got it a few more times but only a few seconds before it reacquired 1800. Same 800 cellid each time, it's coming from a mast far away, none of the three different MBNL sites that surround me are broadcasting it.

Got it without selecting LTE only too, as long as the phone couldn't pick up 1800/2100 it connected to 800, but not every single time I lost signal, just because the 800 signal is so weak as it's coming from further away.

It's not a fluke, the Nexus 6 is allowed to access 800 despite not ever being sold by Three. I wonder if it will get VoLTE too or if they will lock down access.

It would be nice to see the 800 coverage without the 1800 coverage. I have a feeling that at the most, 2 sites are on 800 around me, but the coverage looks so much better because of the already existing 1800. Seen as how they aren't really operating together, you don't get the seamless 4G coverage that the map implies.
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Old 14-09-2015, 00:26
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Me eat my hat.. define launch(ed) first..?


Haven't tried an iPhone. Should it work? I tried the iPad because the coverage checker says it should work.
No..
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Old 14-09-2015, 00:42
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Once again... the master of short answers.
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Old 14-09-2015, 01:59
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Lots of red zones on that map around where I live, just wish I had a S5 which had three software to try things out, thinking now about how little 800mhz spectrum three have it makes sense to have it down at priority Z, last resort, or it would be totally swamped. Not quite the wall to wall 4g 800mhz I had in mind to improve my life so might be the bullet and move networks now for 12 months and see where it all shakes down.

On a totally unrelated matter now, I remember someone complaining about 3g speeds on Congleton a few months ago, I passed through today and they are bad! That water tower mast needs blowing up, took about a minute to start giving data then it was (what all mbnl masts seem to get when they have crap backhaul) 0.25mbps max.
The street mast the other end of town gave a respectable 6mbps but it doesn't seem to cover a big area, mbnl do seem to have quite a few sub 0.5mbps masts around, they really do need to start improving them..
That was probably me who was complaining, The 3G speeds in Congleton are not usable during peak times and if it isn't sorted soon i will have to move (Vodafone and 02 are much better in this town with almost blanket 4G coverage). While in other areas i have found speeds on Three to be perfectly adequate.
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Old 14-09-2015, 07:49
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Earlier this morning I did a bit of testing with the phones I've got access to and only Nexus 6 can connect to 800. My Nexus 5 (on Marshmallow 6.0 preview 3) and Moto G LTE 2013 (on 5.1) cannot connect at all.
How do force the Moto G on 800?
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Old 14-09-2015, 08:22
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Really wish I could test this out. I'm in an area that has just 800 4G but it's half indoor and outdoor. If that means I'm booted to 3G all the time then I'd like to know and preferably before I get my new iPhone and (potentially) stick with Three. I showed someone in a store my predicament (and that I couldn't test the service) and he said I should speak to his Area Manager and get a cooling off period.
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Old 14-09-2015, 09:13
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On a totally unrelated matter now, I remember someone complaining about 3g speeds on Congleton a few months ago, I passed through today and they are bad! That water tower mast needs blowing up, took about a minute to start giving data then it was (what all mbnl masts seem to get when they have crap backhaul) 0.25mbps max.
Yes, I posted a speed test result a week or so ago and it is dire. Its been like this for a couple of years now, evolving from slow to virtually unusable. Probably the worst i've seen personally in any area, and the most frustrating thing is, that Three don't seem to have any plans to do anything about it.

Fortunately I only work in Congleton, but its sometimes impossible to get any data connection at Lunchtimes during the week, so i've resorted to using a Giff Gaff sim for any data use, which gives decent 3G and 4G

There is one statement I never thought I would utter! - Giff Gaff being a far superior network to 3 - but as you have found from the speeds in the area from 3, its not difficult.

EE isn't much better, at least not in this part of the town, so i'm guessing its an MBNL issue, although EE do at least have 4G in some parts.
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Old 14-09-2015, 09:24
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Just seen 4g band 20 on my Note 4 when I picked it up from charging! Vanished just as I was screen shotting and now the dam thing is hanging on to the mast south of me which is not enabled to look for 4g... Normally when I use it indoors it laughs at me and displays emergency calls,
That's today's not at work time waster mission sorted, trying to replicate it..
Where's 3g cell breathing when you need it!
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Old 14-09-2015, 09:44
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So, going from an 800 area into an 1800/2100 area, a call would stay on 800 until you hang up which seems fine. What about if you are on a 3G call and you drive out of 2100/1800 coverage where there is 800 only? Presumably the call would drop and when you looked at your phone it would then show a good signal. I can't see they will let that happen.

Anyway, how does anyone know that 1800 VoLTE isn't going to go live anytime soon? This is clearly a very 'soft' roll out and 3 are being cautious which is understandable. At least they've got VoLTE out there, which is more than can be said for any other UK network.
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Old 14-09-2015, 11:36
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Hi

Looking st the map by GavinAshford, Northern Ireland has no 800mhz

I've just checked Three's site. According the the info by selection S5, my home town should be getting Super Voice in the next 3 months.

Here's hoping lol.

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Old 14-09-2015, 12:36
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Called Three again and they confirmed:

LGG4 goes live tomorrow
S6 and Edge 24th September
Iphones 21st October

They also said (and checked with their manager) that its the Sim that's important and the sim in a non-three phone will be able to access Super Voice.

The more work in my area is for standard 4G (taking place over the next 2 days) so I'm hopefull!
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Old 14-09-2015, 13:09
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Called Three again and they confirmed:

LGG4 goes live tomorrow
S6 and Edge 24th September
Iphones 21st October

They also said (and checked with their manager) that its the Sim that's important and the sim in a non-three phone will be able to access Super Voice.

The more work in my area is for standard 4G (taking place over the next 2 days) so I'm hopefull!
All sounds like good news then. Roll on the 21st October for me then.. Fingers crossed
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Old 14-09-2015, 13:15
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Called Three again and they confirmed:

LGG4 goes live tomorrow
S6 and Edge 24th September
Iphones 21st October

They also said (and checked with their manager) that its the Sim that's important and the sim in a non-three phone will be able to access Super Voice.

The more work in my area is for standard 4G (taking place over the next 2 days) so I'm hopefull!
I can see iphones not needing to be from Three, but the others I'm not so sure. Also not sure how the sim is the important bit either tbh.
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Old 14-09-2015, 13:17
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How do force the Moto G on 800?
In the dialer type in *#*#4636#*#* and you get access to the testing menu, in Phone information there's a dropdown for "Set preferred network type"
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