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I spoke to them on the phone, they were adamant that Super-Voice and 800MHz will only work on Three branded devices, unless you have an iPhone 6 or the new 6s. Any Android or Windows phones must be running the Three branded software.
I assume this is a limitation of the operating systems and unless Three can get manufacturers to include their VoLTE settings into their own roms (like Samsung/LG/Sony/Motorola unbranded roms), then we won't get VoLTE on sim-only without an iPhone or without flashing the Three branded rom on the relevant device. In the case of devices the don't have Three branded roms but do technically support 800MHz+VoLTE, officially, these devices will not be supported. Although it is interesting to note the ability of the Nexus 6 to access 800MHz even though it doesn't have the correct VoLTE settings. |
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#1477 |
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That's not what they told me yesterday. Which bit did you talk to? I was speaking to network technical support.
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I wrote this earlier, which I tried to write in layman's terms to explain what's a pretty messed up launch (not that Three can really do much else).
It's at http://jmcomms.com/2015/09/15/three-...e-limitations/ I thought to do this after reading some of the news stories today that were somewhat misleading. If anyone can share it, it might help raise awareness of the issues and people might put some pressure on Three to explain things and consider what to do for people that just need data (whether using a MBB SIM or any SIM in a data only device). As well as letting people know that if they buy a OnePlus, Wileyfox, Huawei or something else not ranged by Three then they're effectively stuffed. |
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One of the things EE/MBNL are trying to iron out before launch.
![]() Do we assume this works on Three then or have they skipped that part to get it out before EE. We need someone to test weather a 3G call will hand over to 800 when moving out of 3G coverage. |
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#1480 |
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The Edge: It's only for Voice..
Also iPhones won't be allowed on 800 until at least October, not just VOLTE from what i'm told. One of the things EE/MBNL are trying to iron out before launch. ![]() |
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I was wondering. I know nothing of the technicalities of which I'm sure there are many but it just sounds like it would harder to go from CS to PS.
Do we assume this works on Three then or have they skipped that part to get it out before EE. We need someone to test weather a 3G call will hand over to 800 when moving out of 3G coverage.
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I wrote this earlier, which I tried to write in layman's terms to explain what's a pretty messed up launch (not that Three can really do much else).
It's at http://jmcomms.com/2015/09/15/three-...e-limitations/ I thought to do this after reading some of the news stories today that were somewhat misleading. If anyone can share it, it might help raise awareness of the issues and people might put some pressure on Three to explain things and consider what to do for people that just need data (whether using a MBB SIM or any SIM in a data only device). As well as letting people know that if they buy a OnePlus, Wileyfox, Huawei or something else not ranged by Three then they're effectively stuffed. I suppose really it's only us that know how it all works that it seems frustrating, however for the average user with an S5 their experience is going to be transformed just on coverage alone. |
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Not according to the quote on the Three blog: "It’ll allow customers to make calls, send texts and go online in places they may have previously had poor or no signal."
![]() Although.. it will likely to <always> be limited to voice only in areas where 800 isn't needed. If you get my drift. |
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I should have said CURRENTLY
![]() Although.. it will likely to <always> be limited to voice only in areas where 800 isn't needed. If you get my drift. |
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Having read Jon Morris' piece, it looks like I got most of my facts right on the little video I did on YouTube. I have linked to his article.
Their Guildford 800MHz seems to come from one transmitter on the Hog's back which seems to cover pretty much all around. Not suprising, it's pretty high up. Just need to get more than three 1800MHz masts now to provide the 4G capacity. |
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I wrote this earlier, which I tried to write in layman's terms to explain what's a pretty messed up launch (not that Three can really do much else).
It's at http://jmcomms.com/2015/09/15/three-...e-limitations/ I thought to do this after reading some of the news stories today that were somewhat misleading. If anyone can share it, it might help raise awareness of the issues and people might put some pressure on Three to explain things and consider what to do for people that just need data (whether using a MBB SIM or any SIM in a data only device). As well as letting people know that if they buy a OnePlus, Wileyfox, Huawei or something else not ranged by Three then they're effectively stuffed. Seems odd that Three wouldn't mention the G4 in the press announcement along with the S5, which with no one reporting it on here and CS telling me they knew nothing about it leads me to believe it hasn't been activated yet. |
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If you now select the G4 on the coverage map it says it works, so I'd say it is up and running. I no longer have my G4 to check though.
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If you now select the G4 on the coverage map it says it works, so I'd say it is up and running. I no longer have my G4 to check though.
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If you now select the G4 on the coverage map it says it works, so I'd say it is up and running. I no longer have my G4 to check though.
Perhaps I'll email CS about it tomorrow, don't really understand what's going on with the G4 seem that my call to CS didn't clear anything up, and I can't get it working on the latest firmware, albeit I dirty flashed the HUK firmware over unbranded. |
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I have a mifi that causes the 800 map to kick in, and I'm allegedly in 800 coverage. It doesn't work, though.
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Are you in 3G coverage?
It has a mobile broadband SIM too, not a phone one |
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What about the LG G3, does that support supervoice and do you need Three firmware for it to work?
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I really want to never call it Super Voice. Sounds so cheesy!!
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I wrote this earlier, which I tried to write in layman's terms to explain what's a pretty messed up launch (not that Three can really do much else).
It's at http://jmcomms.com/2015/09/15/three-...e-limitations/ I thought to do this after reading some of the news stories today that were somewhat misleading. If anyone can share it, it might help raise awareness of the issues and people might put some pressure on Three to explain things and consider what to do for people that just need data (whether using a MBB SIM or any SIM in a data only device). As well as letting people know that if they buy a OnePlus, Wileyfox, Huawei or something else not ranged by Three then they're effectively stuffed. Also, previously I wrote, how can Three say 5.5 million will be able to use 4G like this by 2017, they won't sell that many phones. Three must allow 4G capable phones this access by a software update surely. (The backend enabling). |
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Barely, but forcing the device to 800MHz 4G only doesn't work either, and a network scan doesn't pick up any networks despite the map claiming coverage
It has a mobile broadband SIM too, not a phone one I would have expected something to show in the network scan if 800MHz was public though, unless the mifi is being weird. |
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What about the LG G3, does that support supervoice and do you need Three firmware for it to work?
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I really want to never call it Super Voice. Sounds so cheesy!!
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Reverse SRVCC from what I've heard from is actually harder to implement then SRVCC is but it's quite shocking that any network in UK specially Three has launched VoLTE without it.
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This doesn't tally with Three's coverage checker. If I select my phone and a 4G area, it claims "You can make calls, send texts and use the internet over our 4G network.", the making calls over 4G is VoLTE right?
Also, previously I wrote, how can Three say 5.5 million will be able to use 4G like this by 2017, they won't sell that many phones. Three must allow 4G capable phones this access by a software update surely. (The backend enabling). Three probably have around 1 million combined iPhone 6/+ and Galaxy S6/Edge users right now. Once other flagships are updated and upgrades are made over the next 2yrs Three will get much closer to the 5.5 million estimate. They currently have approx 4.5 million 4G users I think, so if everyone with an incompatible phone upgraded and they continue to add new subs at the rate they are now 5.5 million is achievable. |
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Barely, but forcing the device to 800MHz 4G only doesn't work either, and a network scan doesn't pick up any networks despite the map claiming coverage
It has a mobile broadband SIM too, not a phone one That's with a mobile broadband sim so I think it's a definitive no to access for data only devices for now. The coverage map does show 800 coverage for iPad Airs so perhaps this is temporary. |
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