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Old 01-10-2015, 19:38
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It might be the EVR ROM, but my S6 doesn/t have the /carrier/ folder so I can't try this
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Old 01-10-2015, 19:55
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Casually drop in the questions about 4G priority vs 3G and if handsets sold outside of Three will get VOLTE.....as you pour them another gallon of wine!
Seeing the prices of drink here, they'll have to fund their own gallons of wine! I'm their guest!
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Old 01-10-2015, 20:56
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I am getting speeds of 50mb on the 800mhz cell. Am I correct in thinking this is because hardly anyone is using it yet?
As the others have said, there's no chance of getting that speed on the amount of 800 Three have. It'll be an 1800MHz cell you are connected to.
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Old 01-10-2015, 21:04
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Theoretical maximum with 5Mhz at 800 is 37Mbps.
This is not actually possible though since it sort of ignores overheads, just raw data with no one else on it.
Fastest I've ever had on EE 1800 20Mhz is 130Mbps (rural newly activated cell with no one on it, iPhone 6)
Half that (roughly) for 800 = 65Mbps.
Quarter that for only 5Mhz = 16Mbps absolute tops!!!
5 - 10 is going to be the norm I'm afraid.

It's your bits per hertz see!!
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Old 01-10-2015, 21:27
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Seeing the prices of drink here, they'll have to fund their own gallons of wine! I'm their guest!
Let them pay to get you pissed then #makeitright and all that
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Old 01-10-2015, 21:34
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Can they make it right and get me pissed as well?
It's currently costing me fecking fortune!!
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Old 01-10-2015, 21:47
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Theoretical maximum with 5Mhz at 800 is 37Mbps.
This is not actually possible though since it sort of ignores overheads, just raw data with no one else on it.
Fastest I've ever had on EE 1800 20Mhz is 130Mbps (rural newly activated cell with no one on it, iPhone 6)
Half that (roughly) for 800 = 65Mbps.
Quarter that for only 5Mhz = 16Mbps absolute tops!!!
5 - 10 is going to be the norm I'm afraid.

It's your bits per hertz see!!
There are some overheads built in to the 37 Mb/s figure though Devon so under absolutely perfect conditions it might be possible to get very near to it.

In theory it's really the same figure as what should be quoted for 3G (either 5MHz if you added MIMO or 10MHz dual carrier without MIMO). However with 3G the overheads tend to be ignored so you see 21.6 per 5MHz (which doubles up to 43.2 if you add MIMO or alternatively use 10MHz DC). This is the same figure as the ~37Mb/s that gets quoted for 4G. So 4G is more honest than 3G.

In future these theoretical maximums will increase. If we get to 4x4 MIMO then speeds double. There's also the possibility now of using 256QAM modulation if you have a very good signal (instead of the current fastest 64QAM) which adds ~30% to the maximums (obviously this requires device hardware support).
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Old 01-10-2015, 21:50
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Can they make it right and get me pissed as well?
It's currently costing me fecking fortune!!
It should be part of their campaign I think haha
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Old 01-10-2015, 21:56
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There are some overheads built in to the 37 Mb/s figure though Devon so under absolutely perfect conditions it might be possible to get very near to it.

In theory it's really the same figure as what should be quoted for 3G (either 5MHz if you added MIMO or 10MHz dual carrier without MIMO). However with 3G the overheads tend to be ignored so you see 21.6 per 5MHz (which doubles up to 43.2 if you add MIMO or alternatively use 10MHz DC). This is the same figure as the ~37Mb/s that gets quoted for 4G. So 4G is more honest than 3G.

In future these theoretical maximums will increase. If we get to 4x4 MIMO then speeds double. There's also the possibility now of using 256QAM modulation if you have a very good signal (instead of the current fastest 64QAM) which adds ~30% to the maximums (obviously this requires device hardware support).
Is any network in the uk using 4x4 MIMO I know T-Mobile US is using 4x2 MIMO and Apparently Sprint is using 8T8R which I assume is similar.
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Old 01-10-2015, 22:02
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There are some overheads built in to the 37 Mb/s figure though Devon so under absolutely perfect conditions it might be possible to get very near to it.

In theory it's really the same figure as what should be quoted for 3G (either 5MHz if you added MIMO or 10MHz dual carrier without MIMO). However with 3G the overheads tend to be ignored so you see 21.6 per 5MHz (which doubles up to 43.2 if you add MIMO or alternatively use 10MHz DC). This is the same figure as the ~37Mb/s that gets quoted for 4G. So 4G is more honest than 3G.

In future these theoretical maximums will increase. If we get to 4x4 MIMO then speeds double. There's also the possibility now of using 256QAM modulation if you have a very good signal (instead of the current fastest 64QAM) which adds ~30% to the maximums (obviously this requires device hardware support).
Yes but, Mr Paul.... I was pretty much spot on, was I not?
The words hairs and splitting come to mind.
Most are going to get 5 to 10, maybe 15 meg (on a good day).
Not having a go. Just saying I wasn't getting as technical as you are.
I do bow to your superiority, I just was making the point that 50 meg wasn't possible over 5Mhz 800. Kind of backing you up, although now that seems to have backfired.
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Old 01-10-2015, 22:06
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Oh wait...
I'm currently listening to the Beatles Help album.
Ignore the last post. I have no idea what I'm talking about.
You are going to lose that girl you know......
You might need a ticket to ride.........
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Old 01-10-2015, 22:22
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Okay Devon. You are right too

And I bow to your superior musical taste. I've just watched tonight's episode of Top of the Pops 1980 on iPlayer. Ottawan D.I.S.C.O and Russ Abbot guest presenting with Mike Read doing a Cliff Richard impersonation.
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Old 01-10-2015, 22:36
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O... M ... G... I'm off to see that now.
Thanks for the heads up!!!
I had D.I.S.C.O on 7" single at some point. Had the French version on the B side.
Remember B sides?
I must have it somewhere. I'll dig it out.
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Old 01-10-2015, 22:42
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I always thought the song sounded better in French. Then again I think I'm the world's only Boney M fan!
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Old 01-10-2015, 22:42
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Ok, I have Jive Talkin by the Bee gees from 1975. that;s not the one is it?
I was 6 then!!!!
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Old 01-10-2015, 22:44
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I always thought the song sounded better in French. Then again I think I'm the world's only Boney M fan!
No, we should start a club. (don't tell everyone else though).
Love Boney M.
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Old 01-10-2015, 23:02
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I saw Rocky Sharpe and the Replays up the 3 mast today doing a bit of upgrading. Gave me a signed picture disc and a Brotherhood of Man tape.
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Old 01-10-2015, 23:04
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That Boney M medley was good. Must be on twattube somewhere.

Oh yeah and remember Stars on 45? Epic.
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Old 01-10-2015, 23:59
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I think I had Rocky Sharpe on 7". Where the hell did that go?
Got it in Zounds in Totnes. they had stylus cartridges and everything in there.
That's when we dragged a diamond or Sapphire through a vinyl grove to make sound in case anyone was wondering.
Oh wait, they are still doing that now as it sounds better than 1 million bit 17 zillion Ghz sampling....
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Old 02-10-2015, 00:04
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OMG, they were real......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Sharpe
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Old 02-10-2015, 00:30
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You have still got that somewhere. Shout Shout on picture disc must be worth at least 400-500p by now.
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Old 02-10-2015, 01:30
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Potentially this is getting a tad off topic! (However, "Bat out of Hell" was my seminal rock experience back in 1977 - I'm fairly sure they predicted 4G goodness in "Paradise by the Dashboard Light"!)
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:20
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Some weird stuff is happening this morning. Was supposed to have maintenance on the 30th, nothing happened as usual. Just a few minutes ago I was browsing on 4g and everything stopped and I went to no service. After a few minutes I reconnected to 3g but with no data connection.

I'm able to get coverage from 4 different masts at my location, all 4g, yet it's not working. Airplane mode doesn't help, but if I reboot my phone I do get a 4g connection as normal for about a minute.

It's usually super congested with highs of 6-7mb and is often around 1mbps. I got a nice 20mbps with -110dBm, I assume because its kicked most people off it. It actually kicked me off to no service during the upload portion of my speedtest. I did check and it's still broadcasting 10mhz.

Same thing goes for the other sites in my area. There's maintenance planned on the 6th, but not today.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:31
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No data in Romsey
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Old 02-10-2015, 10:02
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Data just come back in south London
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