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Old 11-07-2015, 00:08
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Btw, that presentation seems to confirm some sort of 3G sharing between 3 and O2 should the merger go ahead.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0EVOLUTION.pdf

Shhhhh.....

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...hee%20DATA.jpg

This shows average data use per month by all three customers. Average per month is now around ~30tb which is over 3.0GB per person per month average. Unlimited data users are using more than 5GB per month on average, the top 10% are using more than 15GB per month on average.
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Old 11-07-2015, 00:26
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Btw, that presentation seems to confirm some sort of 3G sharing between 3 and O2 should the merger go ahead.
Looks like terminating legacy contracts with unlimited tethering is having no impact at all on data usage which is sky rocketing
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Old 11-07-2015, 00:40
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Looks like terminating legacy contracts with unlimited tethering is having no impact at all on data usage which is sky rocketing
It never was going to stop data growing YOY.

The question would be, how steep would that graph be had unlimited tethering been allowed to continue with 4G launched and mobile data consumption growing in general.
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Old 11-07-2015, 00:45
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Old 11-07-2015, 09:18
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Hi again everyone, long time no speak

I know this is probably in the wrong thread, but I know I'll get a decent answer from all of you.

For any regular posters in the previous Three 4G forum, I asked about an O2 mast in Bristol, with a lot of you commenting about the ex-London bus that was parked up next to it on my photo of it. Haha!

I'd just like to ask about that mast again. About 4 months on, it's still the same O2-only 3G mast. The last photo I put on here, it looked as if they had made a space for new cabinets, and there was a line of new Tarmac going from where I guess the new cabinets would sit to the old cabinets.

I walked past the mast yesterday (it's my local O2 one). There is a big fenced off area, and now something new, there is what looks like a BT phone manhole looking cover on the pavement (this was never here before), with a fresh line of Tarmac going to where I guess the new cabinet will sit.

Does this finally mean they'll be bringing O2/Vodafone 4G to my area soon? I'm not on either network, but it'll be cool to test it out. If I put my postcode into the O2 Service Status site, it says there will be maintenance work on masts in the area on 14th July... Could this be the day they bring a new O2 pole along??

However, O2/Vodafone seem to be upgrading together. Vodafones coverage checker shows there being no future 4G upgrades in the area for at least the next 3 months...

What happens next with the mast? Thanks
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Old 11-07-2015, 09:21
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Also, I still think EE will always be the best network

98Mbps is my top speed seen on the speedtest.net app in Bristol! Phwooarrhhh.
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Old 11-07-2015, 10:36
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Also, I still think EE will always be the best network

98Mbps is my top speed seen on the speedtest.net app in Bristol! Phwooarrhhh.
They are great for built up areas and may suit some, but out in the sticks it's a different matter with lack of 3G (I stream a lot of Internet radio as I drive around and also go camping so I like Three's blanket 3G).

Even though their 3G speeds are not the fastest how fast do people need?
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Old 11-07-2015, 10:56
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They are great for built up areas and may suit some, but out in the sticks it's a different matter with lack of 3G (I stream a lot of Internet radio as I drive around and also go camping so I like Three's blanket 3G).

Even though their 3G speeds are not the fastest how fast do people need?
EE have the same 3g network as Three. It's just that Three's holds onto it for dear life where as EE's drops down to 2g. At least that's what I thought.
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Old 11-07-2015, 12:00
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That powerpoint suggests Three uses femtos. Aren't they already using those?

How will these small cells work? I'm thinking telegraph poles?
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Old 11-07-2015, 12:47
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That powerpoint suggests Three uses femtos. Aren't they already using those?
Correct, that slide is just showing ways in which Three can deploy new sites to increase coverage and capacity while moving forward with technological advancements.
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Old 11-07-2015, 17:23
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EE have the same 3g network as Three. It's just that Three's holds onto it for dear life where as EE's drops down to 2g. At least that's what I thought.
Thats not quite true, there is still alot of Orange sites that haven't been added to MBNL, so for some reason the phone will hang onto the stronger 2G signal.

Speaking of which does anyone know when we are likely to see the MBNL project finish, and all ex-orange sites added to agreement.

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Old 11-07-2015, 17:52
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Thats not quite true, there is still alot of Orange sites that haven't been added to MBNL, so for some reason the phone will hang onto the stronger 2G signal.

Speaking of which does anyone know when we are likely to see the MBNL project finish, and all ex-orange sites added to agreement.

Cheers
It has been mentioned in other forums that a number of these ex-Orange sites have been upgraded to EE 2G/4G only with no 3G so no MBNL, therefore keeping Three off the site. They seem to have sorted CCFB from 4G to 2G which will see them over until VoLTE arrives on the 4G layer.
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Old 11-07-2015, 17:57
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As Interactive says It would appear this isn't going to happen with many on here stating legacy Orange sites are now just getting 2G refresh / 4G with no 3G being added.
Makes sense for EE. Why add 3G when it will not be required in just a few years and also why advantage Three when they are buying O2?
I wouldn't put 3G on them.
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Old 11-07-2015, 19:14
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EE have the same 3g network as Three. It's just that Three's holds onto it for dear life where as EE's drops down to 2g. At least that's what I thought.
I set my EE phone to WCDMA/LTE only, so no chance of dropping back to 2G.
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Old 11-07-2015, 19:36
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Btw, that presentation seems to confirm some sort of 3G sharing between 3 and O2 should the merger go ahead.
Yea the 900MHz HSDPA on the slide is telling...
Thanks for sharing!

As for small cells, I've only ever noticed one place that's covered (other than Three stores), Xscape in Milton Keynes. Pretty much full signal DC-HSDPA in the whole place, and EE had nothing or sometimes 1 bar of edge. The local MBNL site was 4G'd so as soon as you stepped out of the building there was 4G on both networks, but it was clear that there's some extensive coverage with small cells for Three in there as it's quite a big building and no matter where I was I had fantastic signal.

Interesting that they don't appear to mention 800MHz?
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Old 11-07-2015, 20:33
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I set my EE phone to WCDMA/LTE only, so no chance of dropping back to 2G.
So I presume your calls will just fail then if you happen upon a 2G/4G area of coverage.
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Old 11-07-2015, 21:17
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I'm getting a full signal of 4G on three in Portishead now where once it was just 3G and the odd 1 bar of 4G!

Got a 30mbps speed too!
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Old 11-07-2015, 21:41
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Also, I still think EE will always be the best network

98Mbps is my top speed seen on the speedtest.net app in Bristol! Phwooarrhhh.
Whilst speed is good, what is the point of that sort of speed if only to get large files quickly? You don't need anything like that speed just for browsing. And that where we get to the rub, EE and their ridiculous data charges and no unlimited.

So some small files very quickly then you run out of data allowance.
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Old 11-07-2015, 22:08
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Interesting that they don't appear to mention 800MHz?
800 is currently being rolled.

It's in a good number of places now.
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Old 11-07-2015, 22:34
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800 is currently being rolled.

It's in a good number of places now.
Well you've got my attention now. Didn't Three say 800MHz would launch in September along with VoLTE?
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Old 11-07-2015, 22:39
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So I presume your calls will just fail then if you happen upon a 2G/4G area of coverage.
I don't make or receive calls on my EE SIMs. Data only. But if I do go to EE one day for my primary voice number then it could become a problem later.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:20
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It has been mentioned in other forums that a number of these ex-Orange sites have been upgraded to EE 2G/4G only with no 3G so no MBNL, therefore keeping Three off the site. They seem to have sorted CCFB from 4G to 2G which will see them over until VoLTE arrives on the 4G layer.
How so? When the whole idea of MBNL is a full ran share? And part of that was to add three to all the ex orange sites, sure that breaks the agreement they have both signed, when Olaf quite loudly said he wants the and thinks the MBNL agreement will and should continue??
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:28
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Thats not quite true, there is still alot of Orange sites that haven't been added to MBNL, so for some reason the phone will hang onto the stronger 2G signal.

Speaking of which does anyone know when we are likely to see the MBNL project finish, and all ex-orange sites added to agreement.

Cheers
I may be wrong, but was there tests done a while back seeing how much of the time each network either had 3G or 4G whilst driving around the country?

I believe Vodafone and O2 were something like 65% of the time, EE was quite higher with 85% of the time and Three around 96% of the time (can't remember the exact figures, but it was around that (I guess Three would have mainly been on 3G though with hardly any 4G)?
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:30
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800 is currently being rolled.

It's in a good number of places now.
I'm just wondering if some of the masts to the South of Harlow are 800mhz ones now as I seem to be getting a 4G signal to the middle of the town now (unless they have added a few more 4G masts)?

Just need to get the North side covered now and a bit more in the center.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:33
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How so? When the whole idea of MBNL is a full ran share? And part of that was to add three to all the ex orange sites, sure that breaks the agreement they have both signed, when Olaf quite loudly said he wants the and thinks the MBNL agreement will and should continue??
Speaking to the 2nd line network guys at Three the mast "landlord" or EE for ex Orange sites decides when to allow MBNL access to a particular mast - it's not an automatic right as we all thought. As the RAN share is for 3G you can simply get round this agreement by not adding 3G to a mast which is what they seem to be doing/trialling with 2G CSFB.
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