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Old 31-05-2015, 22:39
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Missed most of his act, I was so bored I went to make a cuppa. Can't believe he beat the choir!
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:40
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I just can't believe he would come to a final with a trick that poor.

Why did he take the bag from the box?

What was the point of it being in the box in the first place?

It was either

1) he messed up and took the bag himself
2) it was a terrible trick in a bag!

Which one was it?
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:45
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Is egghead Raven's mum?

Christ! How defensive and angry are you over a terrible act?
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:47
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Just watched a tutorial for the hidden deck on youtube.

Only a few minutes, quite simple, yet clever in a way.

Just need to learn to count to eleven and I might be on BGT next year.


So the card he stuck in his top pocket at the beginning, did he forget about it, hence the "cut" gesture at the end ?
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:48
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Jamie Raven is the worst magician that I have ever seen. I feel bad for saying this as he seems like a nice man, but really... the helicopter thing wasn't really a trick at all. I can't believe he came second.
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:51
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Seeing as Im male it would be a bit tricky plus im not angry.I I like magic and I will defend the art,couldnt care less about the performance of Jamie. But IMO it was not terrible.

Codeblue is stupid and cannot grasp its a magic trick.

Hey codeblue check this out OMG Derren Brown doing a shop bought trick!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5-NDiY7IM
You come across very angry and aggressive.

If you like magic and defend the art, why then defend those that do it a disservice like Raven did with his poorly constructed, amateurish show?
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:51
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Oh don't get me wrong, the invisible deck is a great trick.

However, magicians usually put their own take on it instead of just copying the dvd that comes with the gimmick deck.

No talent is needed, just £5
I know that trick, it is still very difficult to pull off and requires quick thought ... and talent above most other acts, even allowing for it being one of the more well known tricks.

He was criticised in the main thread for it being so simple as he had 52 different decks in his pockets of a large coat and knows which one to pull out.
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:53
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No magician wiprth their salt would grab the bag and put their hand in.

It was so bad, I'm sure it was actually a mistake and he had to go to plan b.

If this was his best trick, on the final of the biggest tv talent show, then I'm embarrassed.
Not sure if anyone is interested in your embarrassment.

That would have been impossible though.
We all know it's a sleight of hand but some of us enjoy it for what it is without trying to analyse it. I think he deserved to come second and I hope he makes a career from appearing on the show.
Seconded.

Perhaps next year you could enter and show us how real magic is done. If a talentless magician can be runner up you would be a shoe in for the title.
Great idea.

I just can't believe he would come to a final with a trick that poor.

Why did he take the bag from the box?

What was the point of it being in the box in the first place?

It was either

1) he messed up and took the bag himself
2) it was a terrible trick in a bag!

Which one was it?
Option 3.
It was entertaining.

Sorry to say that your posts do not fulfill that remit.
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:56
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I just can't believe he would come to a final with a trick that poor.

Why did he take the bag from the box?
My answers are from an audience point of view

HE removed the bag to take out and cut open the lemon.

[quote]What was the point of it being in the box in the first place?

Drama.Suspense makes trick interesting.Impossible location means magician cant have put bill in there.

1) he messed up and took the bag himself
2) it was a terrible trick in a bag!

Which one was it?
None of the above.

Same reason lemon was in a balloon on this version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvf3RsnQGMY
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Old 31-05-2015, 22:59
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You come across very angry and aggressive.

If you like magic and defend the art, why then defend those that do it a disservice like Raven did with his poorly constructed, amateurish show?
In your opinion.
His semi final performance wasnt great but tonights was good,it made sense,all tied in and nothing went wrong.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:02
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In your opinion.
His semi final performance wasnt great but tonights was good,it made sense,all tied in and nothing went wrong.
Other than his complete inability to dress up his act as entertaining, other than his complete lack of charisma, other than the gaping great hole in his lemon.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:06
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Other than his complete inability to dress up his act as entertaining, other than his complete lack of charisma, other than the gaping great hole in his lemon.
As i said nothing went wrong. The note was stuck in the hole thus when removed u could see a hole obviously.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:10
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As i said nothing went wrong. The note was stuck in the hole thus when removed u could see a hole obviously.


So then he failed to deceive the audience which is what a sleight-of-hand act is supposed to do.

Are you just defending this garbage out of purely misguided loyalty to him, or are you just wilfully ignorant?

It was as awful as the "shoe" trick from the semi where we could see he left it before walking off.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:14
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I'm not a massive fan of magic (I used to be, apparently). However, I thought it was weird that he took the bag out himself.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:14
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So then he failed to deceive the audience which is what a sleight-of-hand act is supposed to do.

Are you just defending this garbage out of purely misguided loyalty to him, or are you just wilfully ignorant?

It was as awful as the "shoe" trick from the semi where we could see he left it before walking off.
Resorting to rudeness belittles any point you want to make.

I'd (politely) ask you to please desist.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:15
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So then he failed to deceive the audience which is what a sleight-of-hand act is supposed to do.

Are you just defending this garbage out of purely misguided loyalty to him, or are you just wilfully ignorant?

It was as awful as the "shoe" trick from the semi where we could see he left it before walking off.
The deception part is how the bill firstly changed into a piece of paper with "Look in box" on it then secondly appeared in lemon. Maybe you can talk me through it seeing as he failed so you must know how it all works.

Off you go.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:16
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At least he didn't ask Alesha what signature she was thinking of.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:17
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So whats the point in this debate......Its got us all talking.....instead of watching the winner...A DOG....who anyone with patience could teach their own pooch to do....no-one was non-plussed and looking for ."how did he do that?".......Any trained Dog can do tricks....or amazing things.......I met a Guide Dog today which was amazing.......proof that DOGS can be trained.....but the Magician got everyone fired up as to "How did he do that?".so think on.....As for Lizzie.I am sure she sill be in her " Iam not amused" mode watching a DOG at the London Palladium....!!!
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:18
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Resorting to rudeness belittles any point you want to make.

I'd (politely) ask you to please desist.
Oh please. Go cry at egghead calling people "stupid" before you roll out your misplaced moral outrage.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:19
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The deception part is how the bill firstly changed into a piece of paper with "Look in box" on it then secondly appeared in lemon. Maybe you can talk me through it seeing as he failed so you must know how it all works.

Off you go.
The deception is how the note ended up in the lemon. But this was shown how. It failed.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:20
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The deception part is how the bill firstly changed into a piece of paper with "Look in box" on it then secondly appeared in lemon. Maybe you can talk me through it seeing as he failed so you must know how it all works.

Off you go.
Please do.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:20
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So whats the point in this debate......Its got us all talking.....instead of watching the winner...A DOG....who anyone with patience could teach their own pooch to do....no-one was non-plussed and looking for ."how did he do that?".......Any trained Dog can do tricks....or amazing things.......I met a Guide Dog today which was amazing.......proof that DOGS can be trained.....but the Magician got everyone fired up as to "How did he do that?".so think on.....As for Lizzie.I am sure she sill be in her " Iam not amused" mode watching a DOG at the London Palladium....!!!
You do know this thread is about Jamie Raven and NOT the winner, right?
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:23
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The deception is how the note ended up in the lemon. But this was shown how. It failed.
Still waiting.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:24
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I've already seen at least two videos just posted on YouTube showing how to do the lemon trick. People trying to clock up views and subscribers on their own channels on the back of his fame.
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Old 31-05-2015, 23:25
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No magician wiprth their salt would grab the bag and put their hand in.
Incorrect.
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