Well you can check the video yourself now at 2:59 an see his hands are empty nothing is palmed as we have been saying for 12 hours lol.

LOL in CAPS

At 02:59 in the video he does a nothing in my hands

His thumb is bent over his palm in classic how to hide a folded bit of paper technique.

And you have the nerve to say that there is nothing in his hands!!!!

Come On magic circle you need to get better keyboard warriors than this

HE has nothing in his hand.That is a FACT. For there to be something in his hand you have to deduce the bill switch was achieved by holding one bill in his hand whilst unfolding another which isnt how trick was done an theres a video in this thread showing it.

Ive even screengrabbed it for the thickos on here. Nothing in his hand.
http://i.imgur.com/UE9z3gw.jpg

My goodness

Even i can hold my hand up and it looks like there is nothing in it, when i have a playing card concealed. I can also show the back of my hand too.

Its magic 101.

The fact that he is holding the bag screams to me that either the trick has gone wrong, or its a poor trick. It has to be one or the other.

Thanks for the screen grab. It undermines your case.

If you are going to show your hands to the audience the magician should have all his fingers unfurled.

This screen grab shows how childish the magician was and how magic circle types will defend the indefensible. Lol You are quite ignorant about how magic is done arent you.

Because if he designed the trick to get the bag from the box, why have two boxes?

He may as well brought a padlocked safe out.

The equivalent would be him getting a key out, unlocking the safe himself, reaching in and pulling a bag out, which he then reaches into.

My point it, why the need for a safe?

In his trick, why the need for a bag in a box in a box?

You could easily have gimmicked the boxes to have holes in the backs of them, and the bag, as well as the clear hole in the lemon and pushed the note through all 4 and THEN got Alesha to open the box, the box and the bag.

His method of using a huge hole in the lemon, meant though that no one but him could handle the lemon, instead of using a knife to put in a thin slice to insert the note.

He had so much time IN the bag that he could have used this (the thin cut) method and presented the lemon to Alesha to cut open herself.

I say it again, the trick presented had no need for two boxes if he was going to handle the bag.

I suppose it misdirected so many on here, including egghead 1 so i suppose it "worked" but that relies on people not realizing at the time he handled the bag and the lemon and the note

I still am not sure what the hand across the throat gesture was.

You're certainly correct. I've never seen such anger from a group of people desperately trying to defend tricks executed so poorly and flat out refusing to offer any alternative explanation.

Ive never seen such stubbornness from a bunch of people who -even after googling-still dont know how a trick works!
Youve been told it wasnt palming ,you even claim to know how bill switch was done yet you still cry "palming" thats how ridiculous you are.

"why have two boxes"
Why not? It builds suspense makes trick seem more impossible. Its what magicians do why put a woman in a box to saw her in half?Why raise a motorbike in the air to make it vanish?

It wasnt palming the trick didnt go wrong,he was always going to take lemon from bag himself and there WAS NO palming that is a guarantee.
Im not accepting an alternative explanation (palming)because he didnt do that and I KNOW how the trick is done.

Ah i was waiting for that classic magic circle paid membership line.

i Know how the trick was done.

So do we......!!!

And we know something else. You are a paid member of the magic circle deniers club. Subscription fully paid. I too am a member.....membership number AL 365459. Joined 3rd June 2003.

"IT WASN'T PALMING! But I'll offer no explanation as to what it was and continue to throw insults at any one who says so!"

He was hoping that we would say Alysha was a stooge. But that trick has been claimed by Derren Brown

You are explaining that you thought the set up of the trick was poor which is your opinion and fair enough...but you are not explaining why he 'bailed out' or where the trick went wrong. I think he pulled off the trick he prepared. Numerous boxes are used to make the trick seem more amazing to the viewer. They are left wondering how he could get the note in through so many layers

D_Peugot step back from lemon to the billswitch,timestamp on the performance where he palms the note. He has to palm it during that bit in order to have it palmed to stick into lemon (in your opinion) So go show us all how and where the palming takes place.

Explain where paper with writing on came from also,did he have that palmed the entire trick lol

You've just answered your own question!

Yep, that's the big clue. When a magician says out loud "I have nothing in my hands" he really means "I do have something in my hands, but you can't see it, and I want you to admit that you can't see it because you will then think that because can't see it then it doesn't exist and come to the conclusion that my hands are indeed empty, and that makes the next bit look impressive"

Also, the other clue, the lemon is in a bag in a box inside another box so nobody could possibly have touched that lemon during the trick. (Well not until I get the lemon out of the bag myself with the hand that I went to great lengths to convince you was empty earlier.)

He has nothing in his hands if youd like to bet money on it Ill reveal how its done. £20 to charity via paypal.You prove youve sen tit Ill tell you how its done,and its not palming.

Cant be any fairer. I 100% guarantee there is no palming.The video is on line anyone who can prove me wrong off you go.

He did present the tricks better in the final but they were still pretty crap. I like a good magic show where you're left shaking your head in bewilderment but sticking a fake helicopter on a stage behind a giant sheet or shoving a scrap of paper in a lemon in a bag definitely doesn't fall into that category. He seems like a nice enough guy but I'd be disappointed if I had paid to see his act.

Touche....

Must say the magic circle allocates better warriors to an act like Derren Brown. Money talks i suppose. At least Mr Craven was a likeable chappie. he has a family, has no arrogance about him and i genuinely want him to suceed and make money from his act.

His hands are clearly empty when he passes note to Alesha to sign. The video is still online all you have to do is timestamp as I said why are you not doing so?Because a)youre wrong and b) you know it.

Why you think a billswitch involves palming when last night you linked to videos showing how it was done is baffling.

I don't get why everyone is getting so worked up on here about it being a trick. Of course it was a trick, we all know that. It may or not have been an advanced trick, I am not qualified to say. However, what is clear is that about 800,000 people were sufficiently entertained by it to vote for him to win.

In all likelihood the bag was to hide anything moves from the camera burning his hands ..he really couldn't win when it's so focussed like that and made the best of a bad job.

Was the bill in the hand that went into the bag, probably. Was it palmed, obviously not. He got the bill from its folded up state into a rolled up state in the lemon on pretty quick time..it. was impressive.

The act was derivative but he was entertaining, how he did it should not be important. I know exactly how it was done and was still entertained

It was well done no matter how obvious it may be to some.

Precisely.

I wasn't wowed by the tricks, but I do think a lot of that is down to Jamie's, imo, lacklustre performance skills.
He seems like a nice enough chap, but not very dynamic and there isn't a great deal of showmanship present.
I don't expect him to give it the big 'Siegfried & Roy' approach, I just find his patter underwhelming.

Okay, if you don't want us to use the P word (palmed) then I will settle for a big use of the C word (concealed).

The signed note was transformed into the "look in the box" note, and from that point on it was concealed until it was later revealed again. Your screencap shows he has one half-open hand and the other hand was holding that bag. Plenty of places to conceal a bit of paper.

It could be that the note in the lemon was there all the time and the switch to the signed one was done immediately before the unfold rather than inserting the signed note into the lemon mid-trick.

He lost by just 2%. Not bad for an "amateur" "rubbish" "shelf bought tricks"