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Matissee, making him walk across ropes, was that cruel! |
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Just sent a message to the RSPCA, to get the advice on this.
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Not only is it an utter disgrace to have animals performing as "entertainment" but she mislead the viewers as well. Jamie should have won.
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But Jamie mislead viewers aswell. He pretended to know what card Simon was thinking for a start.
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Well at least no animals were exploited in his act. Of course there was some trickery involved in his act nobody is really magical.
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No animals were exploited in Jules's act either unless you are intent on this ridiculous argument that is going around that they were somehow 'forced' to do it.
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It is not normal for an animal to be forced to go on a sound stage for a tv programme with hundreds and hundreds of people watching. It is stressful for the animal and it should not be allowed.
If you are so convinced, here is where you need to go. https://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/c...cruelty/online Do let us know how you get on. |
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It is not normal for an animal to be forced to go on a sound stage for a tv programme with hundreds and hundreds of people watching. It is stressful for the animal and it should not be allowed.
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But it is lawful though and that's the main thing. People may not like performing animals but they're in the minority and that's why the law is at it is.
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It should be banned no animals on TV unless for documentary purposes and no animal circus acts.
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So you are going to be banning the showing of lots of films then - all of the Harry Potter films for a start.
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Anyone who knows anything about dogs will know that some dogs love doing that sort of thing - dogs with high intelligence such as border collies, german shepherds, etc.who aren't working get bored and depressed so thrive on doing agility, learning tricks, etc.
Jules worked for the rspca and trained guide dogs and has done nothing wrong, she has in fact proved that's she's got a better understanding of animals than some on here |
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I think there is a difference between the tricks Matisse did and the tightrope act. I think the latter was taking things too far.
I've had border collies most of my life. Yes they are intelligent, yes they need to be engaged and occupied and they also want to please. Precisely because of the latter, it can be difficult to gauge how far they are 'enjoying' something which is obviously tricky. In fact tight rope walking dogs are not new but I was uncomfortable watching it and one wonders what the dog went through in the training. |
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Animal rights and welfare SHOULD always trump entertainment. There is no need to use live animals with GCI
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Just for a day Id like to be a fly on the wall and watch Jules dogs and other animals being "trained"....I thought the days were gone when horses heads were restrained in an unnatural postion so they looked good and if they pulled on the reins their head went back even more.. sick.... as is spurs and whips. and were the humans.
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Success seems to have gone to Matisse and Mace's heads ...
It appears that they have now got themselves an agent ... I believe her name is Wendy ... they met on the show apparently ... I have it on good authority that Wendy will be appearing on the Lorraine show tomorrow morning to answer any of your questions or concerns ..!!! Quote:
It is not normal for an animal to be forced to go on a sound stage for a tv programme with hundreds and hundreds of people watching. It is stressful for the animal and it should not be allowed.
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It should be banned no animals on TV unless for documentary purposes and no animal circus acts.
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Not only is it an utter disgrace to have animals performing as "entertainment" but she mislead the viewers as well. Jamie should have won.
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It is not normal for an animal to be forced to go on a sound stage for a tv programme with hundreds and hundreds of people watching. It is stressful for the animal and it should not be allowed.
At the same time you are outraged that Jules actually considered Matisse's welfare and used a different dog to do part of a trick (as she had done before so I gather) that Matisse is unhappy with rather than for Matisse to do it? You don't make any sense. To Calamity just because you have a dog doesn't mean you know how all dogs will respond to challenges. I have had dogs from a collie to Lab GS cross and Staffordshire and now a white German Shepherd. They all respond in different ways. They are all gifted in different ways. If you don't give a Collie ways of challenging his brain and his agility then you are killing the dog from the inside. They were innately able to use their agility and brain to do tasks such as these. Your Shitzu less so. They just have different abilities. Jules was playing to the dogs' abilities. Jules seems to apply the right kind of 'discipline' There is a carrot of getting a treat, the stick is not getting the 'carrot' which is the right way of training a dog to do all sorts of things from tricks to not peeing in the house. |
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She has now admitted the dog was scared of this rope trick, so used the double, I wonder how many times she tried to get the poor thing to try this before giving up and using e other one.
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Not only is it an utter disgrace to have animals performing as "entertainment" but she mislead the viewers as well. Jamie should have won.
Don't make me laugh. |
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Well at least no animals were exploited in his act. Of course there was some trickery involved in his act nobody is really magical.
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She has now admitted the dog was scared of this rope trick, so used the double, I wonder how many times she tried to get the poor thing to try this before giving up and using e other one.
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Don't make me laugh, you've been proven wrong, the dog wasn't forced to do anything because she valued its' welfare first, now you're just coming across as a hypocrite
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She would only have found out it was scared of heights by trying to get it to do this trick, even trying to get the dog to try once in wrong!
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She owns the dog, she was probably aware its uncomfortable with heights so I doubt it was forced to do anything, keep holding on to those straws though
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Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere but ...
Can someone please explain to me why it is OK for a dog to walk a high wire but the RSPCA had to be involved with Marc Metral and Wendy ?? I'm of the opinion that if either dog was unhappy they wouldn't do it and neither seemed distressed to me but it just seems odd one thing is Ok but not the other ?? |
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I think those straws have already blown away.
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