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Old 02-06-2015, 12:26
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Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere but ...

Can someone please explain to me why it is OK for a dog to walk a high wire but the RSPCA had to be involved with Marc Metral and Wendy ??
Because people believed Wendy had a fake mouth attached to it that wasn't allowing her to breath. Whereas there was no doubt Chase could breathe.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:27
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So Matissee told her he was scared of hights silly me, I thought she had to try get the dog to do this to find out!
Jules probably worked it out for herself when taking the dog for a walk somewhere high up or something.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:33
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She never mislead anyone, I saw both dogs in the previous act, so whats so misleading?
Get a life
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:37
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She never mislead anyone, I saw both dogs in the previous act, so whats so misleading?
Get a life
She brought both dogs out after the semi, but never did at the final, so I wonder why, my guess is she would have not got the votes as everyone was voting for Matissee as a one act show.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:38
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Because people believed Wendy had a fake mouth attached to it that wasn't allowing her to breath. Whereas there was no doubt Chase could breathe.
Really?

Didn't look like Wendy was having any problems to me. Surely Chase was more likely to be distressed or hurt on a high wire ?

Thanks for the reply though.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:38
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She brought both dogs out after the semi, but never did at the final, so I wonder why, my guess is she would have not got the votes as everyone was voting for Matissee as a one act show.
...Or because it would have ruined the narrative, perhaps?
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:39
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...Or because it would have ruined the narrative, perhaps?
And lost votes!
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:39
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Seeing the poor thing tumble over the ropes was as bad as thoese poor elephants that are forced to draw pictures with the trunks.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:40
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They might have lost votes but I'm not cynical enough to believe that's why Jules didn't show Chase at the end.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:43
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They might have lost votes but I'm not cynical enough to believe that's why Jules didn't show Chase at the end.
Then why, as she brought the dog out after the semi, or she if had problems bringing the dog out, then she might have mentioned it.. Sorry I really believe she knew it helped her chances as everyone had fallen in love with Matissee.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:44
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Really?

Didn't look like Wendy was having any problems to me. Surely Chase was more likely to be distressed or hurt on a high wire ?
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Whilst it's true Chase was more likely to be hurt, it clearly enjoyed what it was doing and was no different to a person walking a tightrope IMO.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:45
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Then why, as she brought the dog out after the semi, or she if had problems bringing the dog out, then she might have mentioned it.. Sorry I really believe she knew it helped her chances as everyone had fallen in love with Matissee.
Because it would have ruined the narrative, possibly meaning less votes.
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Old 02-06-2015, 13:36
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It is not normal for an animal to be forced to go on a sound stage for a tv programme with hundreds and hundreds of people watching. It is stressful for the animal and it should not be allowed.
Have you ever watched a stage musical? They use live dogs on stage, in front of hundreds and hundreds of people too. Dogs, like people are all different, they have different characters and personalities, so some love the limelight and are never happier that when performing. These dogs aren't just thrown in front of people out of the blue, their born into it, their bought up in that environment, so they get used to it from a very early age.

She has now admitted the dog was scared of this rope trick, so used the double, I wonder how many times she tried to get the poor thing to try this before giving up and using e other one.
The dog isn't scared of the rope, it's scared of heights. It is quite able to do the rope trick.

She brought both dogs out after the semi, but never did at the final, so I wonder why, my guess is she would have not got the votes as everyone was voting for Matissee as a one act show.
The same reason the magician didn't show you the hole in the lemon or how he did the trick, it would have ruined the act.
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:33
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The same reason the magician didn't show you the hole in the lemon or how he did the trick, it would have ruined the act.
But trickery and illusion is the magician's act.
It's not comparable.

I don't think 'the narrative' would have been damaged if the other dog's contribution had been acknowledged afterwards. She had an opportunity to do this when Ant and Dec asked at the end about Matisse's tightrope training but didn't. Why?
There is always a possibility that Cowell had a hand in this.

Ironically, if she had brought out the other dog afterwards to take a bow and explained, I think we would have had a lot of 'awws' and I doubt it would have affected the voting.
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:34
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But trickery and illusion is the magician's act.
It's not comparable.

I don't think 'the narrative' would have been damaged if the other dog's contribution had been acknowledged afterwards. She had an opportunity to do this when Ant and Dec asked at the end about Matisse's tightrope training but didn't. Why?
There is always a possibility that Cowell had a hand in this.

Ironically, if she had brought out the other dog to take a bow and explained, I think we would have had a lot of 'awws' and I doubt it would have affected the voting.
The narrative really would have been damaged because it would draw too much attention to the fact Matisse didn't walk the tightrope.
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:45
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we all see things with different eyes... to me dogs werent meant to do these things... its nice to have a smart dog...and one who behaves well but not to do tricks , some dangerous as this dog did.... but thats just me..

I really hope you never ever get close to crufts as I would be scared for your health if you happened upon heel work to music, agility or flyball you may just combust on the spot!

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I see other post going on about chase looking distressed on the ropes it's not like jules would have thought to herself Friday you know what I'll make my dog walk on ropes for the final. Chase would have been doing this for months she wouldn't have included it in her act if she wasn't confident that chase was happy and confident to do so. You can't just make a dog do what you want it to it takes a lot of time and patience and collies being especially intelligent dogs that can become bored and depressed without the right mental stimulation thrive on heel work to music and agility
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:48
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I really hope you never ever get close to crufts as I would be scared for your health if you happened upon heel work to music, agility or flyball you may just combust on the spot!
I believe that Crufts and the Kennel Club have rules about which tricks the dogs are allowed to perform, and I think that some Jules and Matisse's tricks are against those rules.
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:51
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I believe that Crufts and the Kennel Club have rules about which tricks the dogs are allowed to perform, and I think that some Jules and Matisse's tricks are against those rules.
That was pointed out on another forum that some moves are banned.
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:52
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Whilst it's true Chase was more likely to be hurt, it clearly enjoyed what it was doing and was no different to a person walking a tightrope IMO.
I don't think that was clear at all. To me it looked petrified. Of course there is a difference between a dog and a person doing it. A person can put into words how they are feeling. A dog can't. We're all taking Jules's word that Mattisse doesn't like heights and Chase doesn't mind but we don't know that for sure. Even she can't know for sure. The dog will be trying to please its owner. She may use treats to train the dogs and as such the dogs may be fearful of not getting the treat. Until dogs can talk (for real) we will never know.
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:56
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That was pointed out on another forum that some moves are banned.
And as you are more than aware an article has been posted several times on your threads clarifying certain things are not reccomened especially for novice trainers and dogs
My point re crufts was actually directed at another poster who seems to think all dog acts are cruel
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Old 02-06-2015, 15:01
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The narrative really would have been damaged because it would draw too much attention to the fact Matisse didn't walk the tightrope.
Providing the revelation was made after the event, it wouldn't have impacted on our enjoyment of the narrative.
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Old 02-06-2015, 15:47
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Providing the revelation was made after the event, it wouldn't have impacted on our enjoyment of the narrative.
I believe it would and I'm glad it wasn't spoilt.
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Old 02-06-2015, 16:53
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Wouldn't it hurt the dog's paws?

I'm not saying that it would, but I'm genuinely asking anyone who would know. Because the way dogs paws are you would think that the wires would dig in to the gaps of the paw.
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Old 02-06-2015, 16:54
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I rang the RSPCA, they laughed at me and put the phone down.

There you go. debate over
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Old 02-06-2015, 17:24
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I rang the RSPCA, they laughed at me and put the phone down.

There you go. debate over
I saw that coming.
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