[quote=Dalekbuster523;78335079]I believe people did vote for the story actually. And all good stories involve peril; the tightrope was necessary.[/QUOTE]
haha, oh now I know you aren't serious.
haha, oh now I know you aren't serious.
Jules O’Dwyer used three dogs in final performance, not two
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Haha, yes I am but I can't say the same for those complaining about a third dog being involved.
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“I believe people did vote for the story actually. And all good stories involve peril; the tightrope was necessary.[/QUOTE]
haha, oh now I know you aren't serious.”
“I believe people did vote for the story actually. And all good stories involve peril; the tightrope was necessary.[/QUOTE]
haha, oh now I know you aren't serious.”
Haha, yes I am but I can't say the same for those complaining about a third dog being involved.
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Then I guess you don't know the definition of misleading.
Originally Posted by pepsiplusconker:
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Haha, yes I am but I can't say the same for those complaining about a third dog being involved.”
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Haha, yes I am but I can't say the same for those complaining about a third dog being involved.”
Then I guess you don't know the definition of misleading.
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I guess you can't have better things to do in your life than complain a dog that walked a tightrope wasn't one you expected....
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
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Then I guess you don't know the definition of misleading.”
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Then I guess you don't know the definition of misleading.”
I guess you can't have better things to do in your life than complain a dog that walked a tightrope wasn't one you expected....
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I can see why people have a problem with this. The name of the dog is in the act but people actually watched and voted for a 'stand in' doing the tightrope part....it is a bit misleading.”
“I can see why people have a problem with this. The name of the dog is in the act but people actually watched and voted for a 'stand in' doing the tightrope part....it is a bit misleading.”
Agreed.
And I really can't understand why it's so difficult to understand the difference between fictional movies and a reality TV show. In a film, everyone knows that there will be a stunt double for most (if not all) of the dangerous stunts, and nobody really cares. In BGT, people are paying good money to vote for the most talented act, and we all expect that Matisse will be the dog climbing the tightrope, not any other dog. So yes, it is misleading.
(even though I'm not overly bothered
)
My five free votes went to Jules and Matisse. I thought three act was absolutely hysterical.
Come on, a sausage thief dog only stealing the sausages to feed his disabled dog wife hahahahahaha. That's the funniest thing I've seen in ages.
Jules trained all the dogs, yes all three dogs should have come out at the end and it been made clear that Chase did the rope walk. But do I feel somehow deceived that that didn't happen? No. Would it change the way I voted? Absolutely not.
Jules will have put it thousands of hours training these dogs. Then thought up funny little stories and created a routine for them. The fact there were three dogs in my eyes doesn't make a scrap of difference. Absolute worthy winner in my eyes.
Come on, a sausage thief dog only stealing the sausages to feed his disabled dog wife hahahahahaha. That's the funniest thing I've seen in ages.
Jules trained all the dogs, yes all three dogs should have come out at the end and it been made clear that Chase did the rope walk. But do I feel somehow deceived that that didn't happen? No. Would it change the way I voted? Absolutely not.
Jules will have put it thousands of hours training these dogs. Then thought up funny little stories and created a routine for them. The fact there were three dogs in my eyes doesn't make a scrap of difference. Absolute worthy winner in my eyes.
Originally Posted by Lyceum:
“My five free votes went to Jules and Matisse. I thought three act was absolutely hysterical.
Come on, a sausage thief dog only stealing the sausages to feed his disabled dog wife hahahahahaha. That's the funniest thing I've seen in ages.
Jules trained all the dogs, yes all three dogs should have come out at the end and it been made clear that Chase did the rope walk. But do I feel somehow deceived that that didn't happen? No. Would it change the way I voted? Absolutely not.
Jules will have put it thousands of hours training these dogs. Then thought up funny little stories and created a routine for them. The fact there were three dogs in my eyes doesn't make a scrap of difference. Absolute worthy winner in my eyes.”
“My five free votes went to Jules and Matisse. I thought three act was absolutely hysterical.
Come on, a sausage thief dog only stealing the sausages to feed his disabled dog wife hahahahahaha. That's the funniest thing I've seen in ages.
Jules trained all the dogs, yes all three dogs should have come out at the end and it been made clear that Chase did the rope walk. But do I feel somehow deceived that that didn't happen? No. Would it change the way I voted? Absolutely not.
Jules will have put it thousands of hours training these dogs. Then thought up funny little stories and created a routine for them. The fact there were three dogs in my eyes doesn't make a scrap of difference. Absolute worthy winner in my eyes.”
I totally agree - well said
I think it's hard to separate the dog, the trainer or the act itself in voting.
But the main selling point in this case is surely that a particular dog has displayed an ability to do a variety of clever things.
If you are going to use several dogs then the act does become something different - more of a dog show. Which is fine but it needs to be billed as such.
So while it is still amazing that any dog could walk tight rope. it comes across as a bit of a con to use an identical dog and not say so at the time. The original dog was presented to us at the end as some sort of wonder dog. She should have been honest and had all of them out.
I find the 'stunt double' comparison bizarre.
On that basis we wouldn't mind if Andy Murray had been replaced by a stunt double!
But the main selling point in this case is surely that a particular dog has displayed an ability to do a variety of clever things.
If you are going to use several dogs then the act does become something different - more of a dog show. Which is fine but it needs to be billed as such.
So while it is still amazing that any dog could walk tight rope. it comes across as a bit of a con to use an identical dog and not say so at the time. The original dog was presented to us at the end as some sort of wonder dog. She should have been honest and had all of them out.
I find the 'stunt double' comparison bizarre.
On that basis we wouldn't mind if Andy Murray had been replaced by a stunt double!
Originally Posted by DingDong08:
“Agreed.
And I really can't understand why it's so difficult to understand the difference between fictional movies and a reality TV show. In a film, everyone knows that there will be a stunt double for most (if not all) of the dangerous stunts, and nobody really cares. In BGT, people are paying good money to vote for the most talented act, and we all expect that Matisse will be the dog climbing the tightrope, not any other dog. So yes, it is misleading.”
“Agreed.
And I really can't understand why it's so difficult to understand the difference between fictional movies and a reality TV show. In a film, everyone knows that there will be a stunt double for most (if not all) of the dangerous stunts, and nobody really cares. In BGT, people are paying good money to vote for the most talented act, and we all expect that Matisse will be the dog climbing the tightrope, not any other dog. So yes, it is misleading.”
Says who?
There hasn't been a acting dog on BGT before. Pudsey was a dancing dog. Acting dogs require stunt doubles too.
Originally Posted by DingDong08:
“Agreed.
And I really can't understand why it's so difficult to understand the difference between fictional movies and a reality TV show. In a film, everyone knows that there will be a stunt double for most (if not all) of the dangerous stunts, and nobody really cares. In BGT, people are paying good money to vote for the most talented act, and we all expect that Matisse will be the dog climbing the tightrope, not any other dog. So yes, it is misleading.
(even though I'm not overly bothered)”
“Agreed.
And I really can't understand why it's so difficult to understand the difference between fictional movies and a reality TV show. In a film, everyone knows that there will be a stunt double for most (if not all) of the dangerous stunts, and nobody really cares. In BGT, people are paying good money to vote for the most talented act, and we all expect that Matisse will be the dog climbing the tightrope, not any other dog. So yes, it is misleading.
(even though I'm not overly bothered
)”
Yes, a 'stunt double' for this type of act doesn't make much sense when the very point of the act is that the lead character (ie. Matisse) does the stunt.
Originally Posted by Lyceum:
“My five free votes went to Jules and Matisse. I thought three act was absolutely hysterical.
Come on, a sausage thief dog only stealing the sausages to feed his disabled dog wife hahahahahaha. That's the funniest thing I've seen in ages.
Jules trained all the dogs, yes all three dogs should have come out at the end and it been made clear that Chase did the rope walk. But do I feel somehow deceived that that didn't happen? No. Would it change the way I voted? Absolutely not.
Jules will have put it thousands of hours training these dogs. Then thought up funny little stories and created a routine for them. The fact there were three dogs in my eyes doesn't make a scrap of difference. Absolute worthy winner in my eyes.”
“My five free votes went to Jules and Matisse. I thought three act was absolutely hysterical.
Come on, a sausage thief dog only stealing the sausages to feed his disabled dog wife hahahahahaha. That's the funniest thing I've seen in ages.
Jules trained all the dogs, yes all three dogs should have come out at the end and it been made clear that Chase did the rope walk. But do I feel somehow deceived that that didn't happen? No. Would it change the way I voted? Absolutely not.
Jules will have put it thousands of hours training these dogs. Then thought up funny little stories and created a routine for them. The fact there were three dogs in my eyes doesn't make a scrap of difference. Absolute worthy winner in my eyes.”
How is that 'funny'?
It's without a doubt the sweetest, most beautiful and absolutely tear-inducing thing I've ever seen.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Seems to be only in Britain where this type of act is popular though. The 'Got Talent' franchise is shown all over the world but to the best of my knowledge, no dog act has ever won elsewhere.”
“Seems to be only in Britain where this type of act is popular though. The 'Got Talent' franchise is shown all over the world but to the best of my knowledge, no dog act has ever won elsewhere.”
Google 'Olate Dogs', Anerica's Got Talent 2012 winners.
As for those complaining about Matisse's double, you do realise Lassie, the worlds biggest ever canine film star, was played by several dogs, all deliberately bred to look as alike as possible so they could be swapped for a dog with the abilities required for a certain act? Never believe anything you see on TV, you can do anything on it, it's all showmanship.
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“How is that 'funny'?
It's without a doubt the sweetest, most beautiful and absolutely tear-inducing thing I've ever seen.”
“How is that 'funny'?
It's without a doubt the sweetest, most beautiful and absolutely tear-inducing thing I've ever seen.”
Because I have the ability to separate fiction from reality perhaps?
It wasn't actually a stray dog stealing food to feed its little doggy family and disabled doggy wife (Skippy wasn't even female). It was a story made up by the dogs trainer and shown on a talent competition.
We're I to see a stray dog stealing food, would I find it funny? No, I'd be heart broken and I'd help the dog as best I could making sure it got food and a place in rescue/a new home.
But since this is a trained, very well loved and cared for dog creating an act with their owners other very well loved and cared for dog on a massive UK talent show for TV, I found it absolutely hysterical. I'm still chuckling at it today.
The act should have been presented as Jules and the dogs, and then people would not have been cheated.
Originally Posted by Trmcg5:
“Did she train the dog to do that? If so, then I see no problem with that at all.”
“Did she train the dog to do that? If so, then I see no problem with that at all.”
That to me is the only question that matters.
If she trained the dog then I don't see any problem.
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“The problem is that she and the has mislead viewers. We were led to believe that it was Matisse doing the tightrope. That would've been the key reason as to why people were voting for the act.”
“The problem is that she and the has mislead viewers. We were led to believe that it was Matisse doing the tightrope. That would've been the key reason as to why people were voting for the act.”
But you do have a point there.
If the public thought that they were voting for Matisse, then this may be a problem.
I didn't like the tightrope trick in the first place, I like it even less now.
I'm sure she could have just incorporated Mace into the story if she felt the need to use that trick.
I'm not "outraged", but I do feel it was a bit dishonest.
I'm sure she could have just incorporated Mace into the story if she felt the need to use that trick.
I'm not "outraged", but I do feel it was a bit dishonest.
So, basically, she used a dog we all knew about from the semi final that she trained to go across the rope?
What's the problem?
What's the problem?
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“So, basically, she used a dog we all knew about from the semi final that she trained to go across the rope?
What's the problem?”
“So, basically, she used a dog we all knew about from the semi final that she trained to go across the rope?
What's the problem?”
My thoughts as well.
Originally Posted by Anya D:
“I didn't like the tightrope trick in the first place, I like it even less now.
I'm sure she could have just incorporated Mace into the story if she felt the need to use that trick.
I'm not "outraged", but I do feel it was a bit dishonest.”
“I didn't like the tightrope trick in the first place, I like it even less now.
I'm sure she could have just incorporated Mace into the story if she felt the need to use that trick.
I'm not "outraged", but I do feel it was a bit dishonest.”
I don't think people would have cared less had Matisse, say, sneaked out behind or poked his head out of the window, just to make it clear that there was more than one dog. Indeed, I think they would be impressed that Jules had trained more than one dog in that manner. It's the fact it was covered up that's the issue.
At least she had already introduced the second dog to the public in the semi final performance, I suppose.
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“So, basically, she used a dog we all knew about from the semi final that she trained to go across the rope?
What's the problem?”
“So, basically, she used a dog we all knew about from the semi final that she trained to go across the rope?
What's the problem?”
We didn't know that the tightrope dog was not Matisse. Matisse was billed as the lead player - the show was about him. The tight rope bit was a major component of the final. Btw while I loved the whole story approach I wasn't entirely sure about that bit anyway. The dog looked uncomfortable..
Originally Posted by mrsgrumpy49:
“We didn't know that the tightrope dog was not Matisse. Matisse was billed as the lead player - the show was about him. The tight rope bit was a major component of the final. Btw while I loved the whole story approach I wasn't entirely sure about that bit anyway. The dog looked uncomfortable..”
“We didn't know that the tightrope dog was not Matisse. Matisse was billed as the lead player - the show was about him. The tight rope bit was a major component of the final. Btw while I loved the whole story approach I wasn't entirely sure about that bit anyway. The dog looked uncomfortable..”
Matisse is the lead player, the actor if you like. It would be cruel to make Matisse do that trick when there was another dog that was more comfortable doing it.
Originally Posted by mrsgrumpy49:
“We didn't know that the tightrope dog was not Matisse. Matisse was billed as the lead player - the show was about him. The tight rope bit was a major component of the final. Btw while I loved the whole story approach I wasn't entirely sure about that bit anyway. The dog looked uncomfortable..”
“We didn't know that the tightrope dog was not Matisse. Matisse was billed as the lead player - the show was about him. The tight rope bit was a major component of the final. Btw while I loved the whole story approach I wasn't entirely sure about that bit anyway. The dog looked uncomfortable..”
Lassie was about Lassie. As someone else pointed out, there was more than one Lassie. Nobody complains about Lassie.
Jesus Christ, people need to build a bridge and get over it. Perhaps she could have brought the other dog out. At the end of the day, she still trained three dogs and still made it look very cohesive, I voted for the act because it was the best of the night IMO, I don't care if there were 2 dogs or 27 dogs doing it, the fact that Jules can train them to that level fully merits the 250k IMO.
And LOL at the person saying Jamie cheated, did you think he was actually magic then?
And LOL at the person saying Jamie cheated, did you think he was actually magic then?
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