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Old 01-06-2015, 22:21
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I don't get it.

Yes, he took Gavin's identity but he was more of a son for Michael than Gavin ever was and he had good intentions. Michael should be thanking him for showing his support and acting like a son towards him, not criticising his decision.

However much the show tries to paint Andy as a bad guy, it'll never work because he seems like a decent enough person.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:34
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I think once the anger has subsided, Michael and Andy will have a good relationship.

I'm sure there's a reason why it's been revealed 3 weeks before Father's Day.

I hope we finally find out about Andy's past.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:36
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The bloke's a saint. Taking pity on Des, a thief and a convicted felon, and treating him like a father.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:37
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Well what he did is a crime for starters. And he was trying to con Michael out of money by pretending the son who hated him actually wanted to know him, that's pretty cruel and selfish. Obviously he couldn't have known how things would end up, but ultimately he's robbed Michael of the chance to know or make amends to his son. Of course the need to make amends is Michael's own fault, but he wanted to reconcile and make it up to him, only Gavin had the right to deny him that chance.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:37
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I don't think Not Gavin is presented as a bad guy really - it's just Les who thinks he is, for now anyway.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:38
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I think once the anger has subsided, Michael and Andy will have a good relationship.
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I hope so. It's hard to see Andy as a 'villain'.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:39
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Well what he did is a crime for starters. And he was trying to con Michael out of money by pretending the son who hated him actually wanted to know him, that's pretty cruel and selfish. Obviously he couldn't have known how things would end up, but ultimately he's robbed Michael of the chance to know or make amends to his son. Of course the need to make amends is Michael's own fault, but he wanted to reconcile and make it up to him, only Gavin had the right to deny him that chance.
The real Gavin didn't want to make amends anyway. All Andy did was give Michael the son he wanted.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:43
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The real Gavin didn't want to make amends anyway. All Andy did was give Michael the son he wanted.
Oh yeah of course he didn't, but he might have. Does the fact he didn't excuse it?
I guess so, but that certainly wasn't his motivation in the first place. He did come to care about Michael, but that's all the more reason to stop lying instead of letting it all continue to snowball.
I'm not anti- Andy, I quite like him really, just trying to see both sides.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:44
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Oh yeah of course he didn't, but he might have. Does the fact he didn't excuse it?
Yeah because Gavin was a awful son to Michael anyway.
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Old 01-06-2015, 22:53
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Yeah because Gavin was a awful son to Michael anyway.
I'd say Michael was a worse father than Gavin was a son!

He was absent from his sons life for 30 years. He has no one to blame for missing out except himself!
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Old 01-06-2015, 23:04
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Yeah because Gavin was a awful son to Michael anyway.
Arguably yes, but he was angry at the way Michael treated him. Where the hell was Michael for all that time? He has more to answer for than Gavin imo. Gavin might have come round in time. Although having said that he did seem an absolute shit in general so maybe not.
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Old 01-06-2015, 23:21
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I don't think Not Gavin is presented as a bad guy really ....................
He's a lying, cheating, stealing, fraudster. In what way is he not 'a bad guy'?
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:47
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He toyed with Michael's emotions and committed identity theft. Just because Andy is a pretty boy does not make what he did to Michael OK.
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:07
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I don't think Not Gavin is presented as a bad guy really - it's just Les who thinks he is, for now anyway.
I love it that people call the crap burglar Les. It's like a mini homage to David and his mum Gail!

Also shows how utterly unconvincing Les is in the part.
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:18
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Well what he did is a crime for starters. And he was trying to con Michael out of money by pretending the son who hated him actually wanted to know him, that's pretty cruel and selfish. Obviously he couldn't have known how things would end up, but ultimately he's robbed Michael of the chance to know or make amends to his son. Of course the need to make amends is Michael's own fault, but he wanted to reconcile and make it up to him, only Gavin had the right to deny him that chance.

He's a lying, cheating, stealing, fraudster. In what way is he not 'a bad guy'?
He toyed with Michael's emotions and committed identity theft. Just because Andy is a pretty boy does not make what he did to Michael OK.
Quite.
What he did was a crime; fraud with intent to commit a further crime, identity theft, deception.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:22
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He is still nicer than the real Gavin who didn't care a jot about Michael.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:33
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I'd say Michael was a worse father than Gavin was a son!

He was absent from his sons life for 30 years. He has no one to blame for missing out except himself!
Michael didn't try to con anyone out of five grand. Or deliberately go drink driving.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:48
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I'd say Michael was a worse father than Gavin was a son!

He was absent from his sons life for 30 years. He has no one to blame for missing out except himself!
Thats what I was thinking! He should be bloody grateful someone wants to be his 'son' when he was an absent father for many years. It gives him a chance to play the doting father.

Yeah I can see Andy and Les's relationship growing and within no time all will be forgiven and forgotten as he will be staying on the street due to being with Steph. Which is fine by me as Andy is hot.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:56
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I didn't watch it at the begginning of this storyline. Why did Andy originally pretend to be his son?
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Old 02-06-2015, 13:03
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I didn't watch it at the begginning of this storyline. Why did Andy originally pretend to be his son?
He said himself last night that he believed real Gavin's claims that Michael was a horrible creep and that he deserved to be ripped off. The original plan was to get money out of Michael (which doesn't really portray Andy in a good light).
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Old 02-06-2015, 13:37
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I don't think the show are painting him as a bad guy but Michael has every right to be angry. That being said, I found most of last night's scenes pretty tedious to watch. The storyline itself has been dragged out too long that the impact just wasn't there for me.
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:07
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He is still nicer than the real Gavin who didn't care a jot about Michael.


But he was still Michael's son.


Both Andy and Gail have done a terrible thing. For what ever reason, they have robbed that man of the chance to make amends with his child.

And as for real Gavin being horrible. David has done all manner of evil deed to Gail, but she would never be without him. Michael and Gavin should have had the chance to put things right.
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Old 02-06-2015, 14:58
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I cannot take this story seriously, because Les Dennis makes me laugh when he acts. I hope Andy stays though, because I think he is a decent character and the actor is good too.
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Old 02-06-2015, 16:12
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Old 02-06-2015, 16:34
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The real Gavin didn't want to make amends anyway. All Andy did was give Michael the son he wanted.
But Michael doesn't know that and besides, if Michael had actually been able to talk to Gavin properly, he might have been able to aplogise and in time Gavin's anger might have subsided to allow them to really talk. We know from Michael's ex wife that she poisoned Gavin's mind against Michael which she regrets, if she'd explained that to Gavin, Gavin might have relented to hear Michael's side of things and build a relationship.

It is impossible to know what would have happened but the point is, Andy (and then Steph and Gail) took that decision away from the two people that had a right to make it - Michael and Gavin.

Yes, we know Andy is actually a nice guy that made a mistake in trying to con Michael, quickly regretted it and has made up for it be bing a proper, loving 'son' and Gavin was quite a nasty, bitter man but Michael hasn't seen any of that. He just knows he has been conned and his actual son is dead without his having a chance to see him properly.
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