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Even the Sun front page attacking Jules and Matisse now
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myscimitar
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Stuart25:
“Chase performed in the semi final and was acknowledged at the end of the performance in the semi final.”

Strange then, Chase was not acknowledged in the final, her eye on the 1/4 million I guess!
LauraLS
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by gregrichards:
“No they voted for Matisse not the stunt dog. Why did they not come clean about it instead of being deceitful?”

What exactly is a stunt dog?
grondagronda
02-06-2015
I'm amazed that there's any disagreement on here about this.

Seems clear cut to me:

Either the artist or the production team misled the public.

I really don't know where Dalekbuster and co are coming from, or why they seem so determined to argue otherwise. This wasn't a magic trick. It was a display of training and ability. But a dishonest one. End of.

The only controversy is over whether the artist wifully misled the public or the producers did. I think we all know the acts have very little say in these matters, therefore....
kezkt26
02-06-2015
in my opinion, nobody was misled,


trained dogs were used. The act was a dog act...seems pretty clear cut to me, if Chase had a name tag on him saying he was Matisse then technically you'd have a case

and I wish people would not say "end of" it doesn't make your argument any more valid.
grondagronda
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by kezkt26:
“in my opinion, nobody was misled,
”

Well, obviously that's an opinion, but one that's wilfully blind to the fact that lots of people *feel* misled.

What was the motive of the deception? To make Matisse appear *more* talented than the dog really is. Answer me this: Is the act more impressive if you think one dog is doing everything? Of course. And I'd argue that it's more impressive than the margin by which the dog act won.

So that's why I'm saying there's no controversy here. The producers have been forced to apologise. People are angry. And yet, you maintain no wrongdoing? Weird.
Dalekbuster523
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by grondagronda:
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I really don't know where Dalekbuster and co are coming from, or why they seem so determined to argue otherwise. This wasn't a magic trick. It was a display of training and ability. But a dishonest one. End of.
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Jules & Matisse didn't cheat. Their act was shown to feature multiple dogs. End of.
grondagronda
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Jules & Matisse didn't cheat. Their act was shown to feature multiple dogs. End of.”

I didn't say *they* cheated. How the act was presented to the public was misleading. And, not surprisingly, a large section of the public feel misled. That's clear and incontrovertible.
Dalekbuster523
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by grondagronda:
“I didn't say *they* cheated. How the act was presented to the public was misleading. And, not surprisingly, a large section of the public feel misled. That's clear and incontrovertible.”

It wasn't misleading. It was pretty clear her act featured multiple dogs.
grondagronda
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“It wasn't misleading. It was pretty clear her act featured multiple dogs.”

I feel misled by the act.

There.

And thousands of others do to, or are you going to deny that I feel something now because you disagree with me?

Sheesh.

Weird folk on here.
Dalekbuster523
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by grondagronda:
“I feel misled by the act.

There.

And thousands of others do to, or are you going to deny that I feel something now because you disagree with me?
.”

There's literally no reason to feel misled. The act had already been shown to feature more than one dog.
skp20040
02-06-2015
It is actually quite worrying that people get so angry about a dog act and voting , and it was an act like any other on TV not real life, yet we get low levels of interest when it comes to voting in political elections.
natalian
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by grondagronda:
“Well, obviously that's an opinion, but one that's wilfully blind to the fact that lots of people *feel* misled.

What was the motive of the deception? To make Matisse appear *more* talented than the dog really is. Answer me this: Is the act more impressive if you think one dog is doing everything? Of course. And I'd argue that it's more impressive than the margin by which the dog act won.

So that's why I'm saying there's no controversy here. The producers have been forced to apologise. People are angry. And yet, you maintain no wrongdoing? Weird.”

Actually no. To train one dog and to be able to control one animal on stage while performing a routine is one thing. To train three dogs and control all three animals on stage and in coordination with each other while performing a routine is something else. Jules took it to the next level in the final.
SegaGamer
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“There's literally no reason to feel misled. The act had already been shown to feature more than one dog.”

Yes there is, why are you not getting it ? I'm starting to think that you know that the act was misleading but because you supported the act you won't accept a bad word said about it.

Why was the dog Chase not even mentioned to have featured ? why wasn't the dog on stage when the judges judged and when Ant and Dec were reading out the phone number to vote ? When they walked off stage where was this 3rd dog ? it was nowhere to be seen. It's obvious the dog was kept hidden to try and deceive the audience. We were all made to think that Matisse was the one doing the tight rope trick, that never happened, that right there IS misleading.
SegaGamer
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“It is actually quite worrying that people get so angry about a dog act and voting , and it was an act like any other on TV not real life, yet we get low levels of interest when it comes to voting in political elections.”

People don't like to be made to look stupid, it's quite easy to see why people are annoyed really.
natalian
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“Yes there is, why are you not getting it ? I'm starting to think that you know that the act was misleading but because you supported the act you won't accept a bad word said about it.

Why was the dog Chase not even mentioned to have featured ? why wasn't the dog on stage when the judges judged and when Ant and Dec were reading out the phone number to vote ? When they walked off stage where was this 3rd dog ? it was nowhere to be seen. It's obvious the dog was kept hidden to try and deceive the audience. We were all made to think that Matisse was the one doing the tight rope trick, that never happened, that right there IS misleading.”

The two dogs are not identical. The tightrope walk was performed in plain sight. The public may have assumed it was Matisse but in doing so ignored what was happening in front of their own eyes. There was no deception, only illusion...a bit like making a signed note appear in the middle of a lemon.
SegaGamer
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by natalian:
“The two dogs are not identical. The tightrope walk was performed in plain sight. The public may have assumed it was Matisse but in doing so ignored what was happening in front of their own eyes. There was no deception, only illusion...a bit like making a signed note appear in the middle of a lemon.”

Big difference. He is a magician, tricking the audience is what he is supposed to be doing. You're not the first to make this stupid comparison.

You're right, the dogs ain't identical, but we were still led to believe that the dog was Matisse.

Also, nothing you say explains why the dog was kept hidden. If they weren't trying to mislead the viewers then there is no reason to hide the dog from us.
scorpionatthepc
02-06-2015
Sick of reading about the bloody dog.
njp
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“People don't like to be made to look stupid, it's quite easy to see why people are annoyed really.”

Any thoughts on when these stupidly outraged people will stop being outraged?
grondagronda
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by natalian:
“Actually no. To train one dog and to be able to control one animal on stage while performing a routine is one thing. To train three dogs and control all three animals on stage and in coordination with each other while performing a routine is something else. Jules took it to the next level in the final.”

Er, hmmm, no. That's such weird and perverse logic that makes my brain ache.

To have one dog that can do it all is to have a truly incredibly talented dog.

To have many dogs, each of whom can do a bit of an act, yet give the appearance of being one dog, er, that's not as impressive in my eyes. Sorry.

And again, I don't see how anyone can argue with that...and yet, and yet, people on here seem to be arguing that. It's weird.
njp
02-06-2015
I remember reading about a remote tribe who gave up counting after "two". Anything beyond that was "many".

Giving up after one does seem a bit extreme.
Tom_Mullen
02-06-2015
I think this whole thing is getting a bit silly now although I can see why some people think it was a bit deceitful. What I cant understand Is why she didn't just bring all 3 dogs on stage at the end as they were all involved then none of this would have been an issue, I just don't get it. If Matisse wasn't able to do that particular trick then why have it in the routine its not like it wouldn't have won without that, if she wanted to get both dogs involved like the semi then great but why not just be open about It and bring them all on stage at the end to acknowledge that multiple dogs had been used.
CollieWobbles
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by grondagronda:
“Er, hmmm, no. That's such weird and perverse logic that makes my brain ache.

To have one dog that can do it all is to have a truly incredibly talented dog.

To have many dogs, each of whom can do a bit of an act, yet give the appearance of being one dog, er, that's not as impressive in my eyes. Sorry.

And again, I don't see how anyone can argue with that...and yet, and yet, people on here seem to be arguing that. It's weird.”

It was never meant to give the impression of being the same dog, Chase had a collar with his name clearly on it, viewers missed it:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/b...earing-5806145
Sylvia
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“Strange then, Chase was not acknowledged in the final, her eye on the 1/4 million I guess!”

Exactly.
Sylvia
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“Big difference. He is a magician, tricking the audience is what he is supposed to be doing. You're not the first to make this stupid comparison.

You're right, the dogs ain't identical, but we were still led to believe that the dog was Matisse.

Also, nothing you say explains why the dog was kept hidden. If they weren't trying to mislead the viewers then there is no reason to hide the dog from us.”

She claimed somewhere that the other dog couldn't be brought down to the stage again in time as it had been taken somewhere else in the theatre. Lame excuse I think. I also read that the production team knew about the other dog but Cowell and Co. were unaware.
njp
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvia:
“Exactly.”

Yes, that must be it. After all, people really hated Chase. That's why he got booed off stage in the semifinal.
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