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This fake winner needs to be stripped of her win
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callmediva
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Wrong magician. Darcy Oake was this guy:

http://cdn.itv.com/uploads/editor/me...ec3_ihtqIs.jpg”

ah well, you get the drift anyway
eastiesfan2012
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Because she didn't cheat.”

Kinda did though didn't she. Are you her press agent?
SillyBillyGoat
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“Apparently because she did not tell us, and these days we all have to be outraged about everything, I assume it wont be long before there is a helpline for those watching traumatised by acts on BGT and X Factor who claim they can sing and cannot , and for those who realise magic is not magic but illusion , and of course compensation.”

Pretty much.

I'd happily vote for Jules and Matisse again.
xTonix
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“Exactly. It was won by 2.2 per cent I think. That is very close. She wouldn't have won it because it would have changed the narrative and people would not have been as touched by it.”

How do you know she still woudnt of won?
tawny
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvia:
“He was, though, and so was the Welsh choir. If people had known the act wasn't what it seemed they could very well have voted differently.”

Nobody was robbed - Jules with her dogs won (I don't care howe many there were she trained them all) just get over & move on Bleating on & on about it isn't going to change anything
tawny
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“Pretty much.

I'd happily vote for Jules and Matisse again.”

I would as well
Dalekbuster523
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“But wasn't shown as part of their act in the final. He was hidden. Why? I don't know why you can't see that as being wrong.”

Because it would have ruined the narrative.

Quote:
“In several interviews after, with Ant & Dec, Stephen Mulhern and on Good Morning Britain they referred to it and she didn't own up.”

Actually, she did. On Lorraine. That's why this nonsense has even come about.
Dalekbuster523
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“Kinda did though didn't she. Are you her press agent?”

I wish I was so I could release a statement to newspapers calling everyone complaining about it idiots.
Dalekbuster523
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by tawny:
“I would as well”

As would I.
eastiesfan2012
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Because it would have ruined the narrative.


Actually, she did. On Lorraine. That's why this nonsense has even come about.”


But what was the narrative? Oh yeah. The narrative was that MATISSE was the dog and that MATISSE was the dog going across the tight rope.

So when it turns out it wasn't Matisee why can't you see why it's a con?

And I know she did on Lorraine. Three interviews too late.
callmediva
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“As would I.”

so would I, if I'd bothered to vote in the first place
Sun Tzu.
02-06-2015
Idiots because of commenting about a magician getting robbed of 250k by false pretence from Jules.
Dalekbuster523
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“But what was the narrative? Oh yeah. The narrative was that MATISSE was the dog and that MATISSE was the dog going across the tight rope.

So when it turns out it wasn't Matisee why can't you see why it's a con?

And I know she did on Lorraine. Three interviews too late.”

Because Matisse was the character both Matisse and Chase were playing.
skp20040
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“So your happy she fooled the public to get 1/4 million pounds?”

The fact is she performed an act, she won so that's all there is to it. I assume you would have been angry if a magician won as they win by fooling the public. I really do not get this outrage it to me is a very sad sign of todays outraged society.
callmediva
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“But what was the narrative? Oh yeah. The narrative was that MATISSE was the dog and that MATISSE was the dog going across the tight rope.

So when it turns out it wasn't Matisee why can't you see why it's a con?

And I know she did on Lorraine. Three interviews too late.”

I hate to bring up an argument which you seem unable to grasp, again, but......

If you're watching a film, or even a play, and there is a stunt double used, you wouldn't know or even care, so what's the difference - this was a short play using dogs and a human, one of the acting dogs used a stunt double - there's no difference
spkx
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“But wasn't shown as part of their act in the final. He was hidden. Why? I don't know why you can't see that as being wrong.

In several interviews after, with Ant & Dec, Stephen Mulhern and on Good Morning Britain they referred to it and she didn't own up.”

You realise this whole outrage began because SHE revealed quite openly there was a second dog, right?

Funnily enough if she had stayed quiet no one would've known.
Sun Tzu.
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“The fact is she performed an act, she won so that's all there is to it. I assume you would have been angry if a magician won as they win by fooling the public. I really do not get this outrage it to me is a very sad sign of todays outraged society.”

Nothing to do with being outraged.

Stop comparing a magician and this Jules act. The magician did his act fairly and was judged on his act. Jules did her act under false pretence. A magicians job is to fool people.
eastiesfan2012
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by callmediva:
“I hate to bring up an argument which you seem unable to grasp, again, but......

If you're watching a film, or even a play, and there is a stunt double used, you wouldn't know or even care, so what's the difference - this was a short play using dogs and a human, one of the acting dogs used a stunt double - there's no difference”

For gods sake, HOW many times?! This isn't a bloody movie. This was an act that we were VOTING on to win a competition. We were voting for Matisse. So when it turns out it wasn't Matisse what do you bloody expect?!

I don't vote for someone in The X Factor only for someone else to be behind the curtain singing do I?

Stop using the whole idea of a movie. It is completely different and has no relevance whatsoever.
Sylvia
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“But wasn't shown as part of their act in the final. He was hidden. Why? I don't know why you can't see that as being wrong.

In several interviews after, with Ant & Dec, Stephen Mulhern and on Good Morning Britain they referred to it and she didn't own up.”

I agree. People voted for what they thought was the same dog doing all the tricks. It's not the fact that there were actually two but that it was carried out in such a sneaky way.
eastiesfan2012
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by spkx:
“You realise this whole outrage began because SHE revealed quite openly there was a second dog, right?
”

Yes thanks. Your point is?
chaz rich
02-06-2015
Apparently 200 people have complained to ofcom, a dog walked a tightrope, it was not called Mattisse but it was a dog trained by the winner, there are some very very sad people out there who desperately need to get a life.
Dalekbuster523
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“For gods sake, HOW many times?! This isn't a bloody movie. This was an act that we were VOTING on to win a competition. We were voting for Matisse. So when it turns out it wasn't Matisse what do you bloody expect?!

I don't vote for someone in The X Factor only for someone else to be behind the curtain singing do I?

Stop using the whole idea of a movie. It is completely different and has no relevance whatsoever.”

It's THE SAME as a movie. It's a dog acting like a person in a movie. And guess what? Actors have stunt doubles. So Matisse does too.
Sylvia
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by eastiesfan2012:
“For gods sake, HOW many times?! This isn't a bloody movie. This was an act that we were VOTING on to win a competition. We were voting for Matisse. So when it turns out it wasn't Matisse what do you bloody expect?!

I don't vote for someone in The X Factor only for someone else to be behind the curtain singing do I?

Stop using the whole idea of a movie. It is completely different and has no relevance whatsoever.”

Well said!
calamity
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by callmediva:
“I hate to bring up an argument which you seem unable to grasp, again, but......

If you're watching a film, or even a play, and there is a stunt double used, you wouldn't know or even care, so what's the difference - this was a short play using dogs and a human, one of the acting dogs used a stunt double - there's no difference”

oh yes there is a difference... this was in front of millions to win a quarter of a million... not some west end play...
Sylvia
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“It's THE SAME as a movie. It's a dog acting like a person in a movie. And guess what? Actors have stunt doubles. So Matisse does too.”

It's NOT a movie, it's. a live TV show and also a competition.
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