https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourc...banned%20moves


Click on the link above and then on the first link to the document, which details - along with pictures - of the moves that have been BANNED in K.C. competitions, including Crufts, which Jules has won. Look under the heading 'ROUTINES'.

Now while BGT isn't anything to do with the Kennel Club, these moves have been banned for a reason: to protect the health and welfare of the dog. Jules' dogs did three of the banned moves in their semi final routine - and the dogs did not look comfortable doing them. It seems winning at any cost is worth the risk.

It was interesting, I had the feeling the dogs were not that happy! Unlike Ashleigh and Pudsey, you could see the love, I did not get that in this case.

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Oh, sorry. My alarm clock just went off.

They're not banned. Just not recommended.

The link doesn't work for me.

Oh great, this old chestnut again now. The KC has got no official banned moves. After the success of dancing dog acts on TV, it got more popular with people having a go with their own pets, so the KC stated that extreme moves were not allowed, to stop novice and beginners trying tricks too advanced for themselves and their dogs. It's up to the owner if they think their dog is capable or not "the safety of a move depends entirely on the skill of the owner and the dog involved". Jules is a dog trainer, an excellent one, she will be completely aware of what her dogs are and aren't capable of. You are only not allowed to do these moves at KC events, or you can be sent out of the ring, but even then, all the judges have to agree something was unacceptable. BGT is nothing to do with the KC, there is nothing to stop you performing those moves with you dog, anymore than somebody can stop you doing them in the park, in your living room or on a walk.

The KC should be more concerned about the poor health of some of its dogs due to inbreeding.

Also the moves aren't banned, they're not recommended. I think Jules knows more about her dogs than the Kennel Club, however.

You didn't actually read the document then? These ARE banned moves. If a competitor performs any of them they will be eliminated from the competition.

You are not up to date.

KC is not fit for purpose.

No their not, the KC don't have any banned moves, they have safety regulations for competing dogs:

http://www.dogworld.co.uk/product.ph...fies_htm_moves

Again, my friend, you are out of date.

Or you're deliberately not showing that link to make it look like it's cruel?

No it's not. The article when it was reported is, because the amendments were made at the time of the article and haven't been altered since. Here is the KC heelwork to music regulations, current and up to date, scroll down to page 4 rule 10 point j, and you will see it is exactly the same wording as what is published in the article:

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/medi...k_to_music.pdf

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/acti...sic-at-crufts/
Try this link.
Then scroll down and click on 'Crufts International Freestyle competition regulations and entry form' link.
Then find section headed 'ROUTINES' and you will find the drawings of the five banned moves and descriptions.

"All of these moves have been assessed as being detrimental to a dog’s conformation and welfare."

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/medi...rufts_2015.pdf

Is somewhat more forceful than merely "not recommended"

Still not banned, and only the Kennel Club don't allow them, outside of their events you can do whatever is in your dog's limits.

I think you need to look up the definition of 'banned' and re-read your posts as they are ever-so-sightly contradictory!

Yes, BGT isn't ruled by the Kennel Club, but if moves have been banned in the interests of the dog's health and safety, surely one should think long and hard and examine one's motives before putting in the hours, weeks, months and years of practise needed to get the dog able to perform them.

Maybe it's a moral issue and some people have a stronger moral compass than others.

Yes. Banned.

Did you read the article? I'll post the whole sentence for you.

"All of these moves have been assessed as being detrimental to a dog’s
conformation and welfare. Therefore, should any handler perform the above
named moves they will be disqualified from the class they are performing in."

Assessed by who?

Are the kennel club the only people who get to decide what dogs can do?

What part of "The Kennel Club says it does not have a list of banned heelwork to music (HTM) moves" and "There is no list of banned moves, as the safety of a move depends entirely on the skill of the owner and the dog involved” do you not get exactly?

Oh. I get it.

So. If a "performer" does one of the five items on the list (at a kennel club event) and is therefore disqualified - it isn't a ban?

Ah semantics.

If we're talking semantics, can you confirm who assessed the tricks as detrimental and why the kennel club are the last word on this please.

Thanks.

Which of the banned moves did Matisse do?

All the judges have to agree it's an innapropriate move that is not permitted to be used for the performer and the dog to be disqualified.


Because their the governing body of dogs and everything to do with them basically. It's their shows, their judges, their competitions, their guidelines, their rules. If you want to take part in anything done by the KC your dog has to be registered with them, whether it's a pedigree or not.


None because there aren't any, but the handstand him and Chase did in the semi final would not be allowed to be done at any KC event or any event that was being held under KC rules and guidelines.

None because there aren't any, but the handstand him and Chase did in the semi final would not be allowed to be done at any KC event or any event that was being held under KC rules and guidelines.[/quote]

Did it not say an independently balanced handstand whereas Matisse and Chase did them against something so it was not independent?

The KC is run by people who believe that in-breeding dogs is fine! So much for the health and welfare of the dog.