I had loads of stuff on an external hard drive recorded in HD and SD from my Humax HD-FOX T2.

Like a fool I copied it all to my Humax HDR-2000T, after running all the HMT files of the HD files through Foxy to remove the flag.

I now discover that the Humax HDR-2000T not only encrypts the files again but will not let you copy them back to the original hard drive they were on because it says they are protected.

Guess what? Like the **** that I am I wiped the hard drive before checking this.

I now have a load of HD files on my Humax HD-Fox T2.

Have I completely lost my HD files do you think?

what does and doesn't play on the 2000 ?

how did u wipe? if not by overwriting the actual disk sectors ("secure delete", shred, or similar) much can probably be got back - with a computer - by using a deleted files recovery utility, like recuva.

Obviously, if and after after any hd files are recovered, you will have to reload them onto the t2, then transfer via the usb port to decrypt, before moving back onto the 2000!

Dont Use Any Of The Hard Disks Until You Have Worked Out How To Recover The Wiped Recordings "to Original State", Assuming They Can Still Be Recovered ......

The problem here is I transferred the files to the HDR-2000T then wiped the disk using delete on the HDR-2000T, then copied the files from HDR-2000T via front USB to the hard drive

A brief (very brief note) popped up saying that protected files cannot be copied but the copying continued.

I have all my SD files back and the HD file folders are there but are empty.

I have tried to play the SD files but have not found a player that will do so yet. I can still play them on the HD-Fox T2 so will play them through a Scart lead to a PVR with an inbuilt DVD recorder.

It has just occurred to me whether I can connect the Fox T2 to the HDR-2000T using the HDR-2000T as the Fox-2T USB hard drives and save the files to the DVD recorder that way. Watch this space.

If by that last paragraph you mean plugging the USB sockets on both PVRs together DON'T!!!

That will end in tears and will not work and may damage the machines.

Unfortunately removing the flag is not the only additional action you you had to do. Removing the flag tells the HDR-FOX T2 software that it is OK to decrypt. As you have you have an HD-FOX T2 you will also have to load the HDR-FOX T2 on to your HD-FOX T2 software and decrypt the now decryptable recordings.
The hummy.tv site is the place to ask for advice.
You need to go to hummy.tv to understand how to use the custom software.
IMHO my answer is close to the limit of DS terms and conditions so please don't push for any further help on your question on DS.

if you copied the hd files onto the 2000 via ftp, humax to humax, they should still have the encryption for the t2. So see,if one of them will still play on the t2. If yes, then u need to copy them back to the t2, then copy each one via usb to remove the encryltion on it, then copy these non encryped versions back onto the 2000.

if that doesn't work then u need,to get back as many of the original t2 filez as u can, from the external disk, by usimg a computer running an undelete utility., like,recuva, which is free. Assuming the actual disk sectors have not been re-written, either with file,shredding or creating new filez. This is fairly easy. Recuva reconstructs,the files for you. But fecovery must be done on the,computers,hard,disc. Otherwise, you are overwriting the sectors on the external disk which you tryimg to recover ......

note that, the encryptoon code is different on each humax. So you cant just copy files across without decrypting. Thats what foxy is for. It permits decryption of hd, via the the usb interface.

since decrypting with foxy is,explained several.places, and the op'er can easily do that on any 2000 recordings, i dont see am issue,with trying to recover files mangled by a copying mistake then deleted in error .....

if u plugged disk into 2000 usb port, then hd files wont play and u cant copy them back either. Since they have the t2 encryption. And copying back to disk via 2000.usb port and foxy will just mangle them. So get them off the 2000 via ftp, using the ethernet ports on your 2000 and a computer. Then they will copy back unmangled,with the t2 encryption still intact. The other way is recuva used to get back deleted files on the external disk.

i,think the 2000 has wi fi built in? So u can set up a network connection with a computer, and run ftp from internet explorer, using the 2000's ip address. Or use cat 5 cables plugved into spare sockets pn your,home,router.

just activate networking on the 2000. Enter the ip address it shows into ie on computer. On ie. Click view, then open ftp site in windows explorer. Then you can drag the ts and hmt files across

I suspect you are thinking of an HDR-FOX T2.
The HD-FOX T2 software is different to the HDR-FOX T2 in that the HD-FOX T2 software does not decrypt any recordings when copied via USB.

Just noticed that you said that the it would not allow the recordings to be transferred again. Channel 4 use this type of freeview+ protection for everything HD where HD recordings can only be exported once (but can be re-imported how ever many times you want). I think the other channels are bit more selective. That means that you did not use foxy correctly or replace the non foxy HTMs with the newly foxed version.
The recordings that refused to export from the HDR-2000T because they are now copy protected will still have the HD-FOX T2 encryption but would NOT have been encrypted the second time by the HDR-2000T.
This rules out using USB to export the files from the HDR-2000T because even if you do update the HTM files in situ to allow USB transfer from the HDR-2000T, then the HDR-2000T will attempt to decrypt them using its own decryption key and the re-exported recordings will be totally unplayable by anything..

And a reminder: foxy does NOT decrypt. Yes running foxy does remove the 'enc' indicator on the Humax freeview recordings display but that is NOT the same as decryption.
For what foxy does do visit hummy.tv It is all documented over there and if you need to ask a question there are many users on hummy.tv who have used foxy.

I have to say I'm glad I have a tv capture card on my PC. No encryption added...

to have any chance of getting back the files, either they must be copied off the 2000 using file transfer protocol (NOT the usb port, as that will "decrypt" via the unique code on the 2000, a file already encrypted on the t2, mangling It beyond any hope of recovery). Or, get them back off the "deleted" usb hard disk using recuva.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuva

In either case, they will then have to be played on the t2, to remove the encryption, to make them playable on the 2000.

fair point. if the receiver does not allow any hd decryption via usb, then the entire thing is pointless. In which case, I assume it also wont work via custom firmware, either ? In which case, you could still recover the files, but they would only replay on the original receiver.

yes. so the main thing is to get back the original files, as they were on the external disk. I assume they were originally transferred across without any alteration, so the copied version was an identical clone, which would have played back fine thro the t2 .......

...... online sites suggest connecting your computer to hummy using firezilla, which u can, but it works fine in internet explorer. Just type in ftp:\\(4 part ip number, for hummy, as shown on tv screen, instead of more usual webpage URL) .............. then copy the file onto the pc ...... then back onto the t2, the usb port is fine to use that way round copying ONTO hummy .......

Unlike the HDR-FOX T2 softwaree when using the HD-FOX T2 softwware it is not possible to have decryption when copying as that is not built into the HD-FOX T2 software. The custom firware works along side official software and cannot add that feature to the HD-FOX T2 software. But via custom firmware my HD-FOX T2 is dual boots and boots into either HD-FOX T2 software or HDR-FOX T2 software. If there happens to be a feature of the HDR-FOX T2 software that I want temporarily I reboot into the HDR-FOX T2 software, but only temorarily as to record using HDR-FOX T2 software requires an internal drive which the HD-FOX T2 hardware has not got.

As the HDR-FOX T2 can handle decryption obviously as we are not talking anything dodgy here and therefore it is OK to discuss on DS, but the best place for this discussion is hummy.tv as its members wrote the add-ons that enable dual booting.

ok ok ..... So i got my hummys mixed up ...... But whether you can replay the file at all on original machine - regardless of being able to remove encryption - depends on recovering original files. Which is the issue here.

maybe, once file is recovered, only an sd copy is possible by video capture of analogue output ....... not ideal but presumably better than nothing ......

foxy is supposed to indicate when the don't decrypt flag has been changed. But if its used on a hummy that CANNOT allow hd decrption via usb transfer, at all, then should it not show "failure"?

That the HDR-2000T does not allow the recordings to be exported because they had a limit on the number of times that export was permitted means that foxy was not successfully applied. Foxy also remove this limit on how means times the recordings can be archived and this is why I'm expecting that the recordings are still intact and have not been mangled by the HDR-2000T decrypting them using the wrong decryption key. FTP of the HDR-2000T will export the files from the HDR-2000T as they are, where they can then be moved back to HD-FOX T2's external disk where they were and how they were.