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Old 01-01-2016, 16:42
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I'm having real trouble with ammo. I have 1000s of bullets for the minigun and the .50 action rifle (one of the underdogs in the game), but everything else i can barely reach 100 of. I spent 10k caps on ammo and was depleted again soon after, and I have lvl 3 Scrounger perk. It's pretty strange.

I actually think caps are useless in this game. Maybe it's because i'm playing Normal difficulty, but I don't have any real need to buy anything, and i've only been to a vendor a maximum of about 3 times. Everything is scavenged, and because of regeneration you will never be short on items.
Speaking as somebody who was in a similar position but is now far enough along that I can see how things evolve through the game, I think it's up to the player to become aware of the "big picture".

Sure, you certainly CAN ignore trading and rely on looted items and you'll probably think you are managing "reasonably" like that but it really IS up to the player to embrace all the facilities available to them and make the most of them.

You have a choice of weapons so make use of that choice.
When you're running low on ammo' for one weapon, use a different one instead.

You have the ability to modify weapons so make use of that.
Build a .50 calibre sniper rifle AND a .308 calibre sniper rifle and use the one you have most ammo for.
Same thing applies to Combat rifles - build similar guns in .38, .45 and .308 and use the one you have most ammo' for.

Choose your perks carefully.
If you DO insist on using automatic weapons, choose perks that apply to them and perks that will help you find more ammo or buy it more cheaply.
More sensibly, you can massively reduce your ammo' consumption by only using semi-auto weapons and choosing the gunslinger, rifleman and sniper perks.

And finally - Use traders.
Loot as much stuff as you (and your follower) can carry and then just make it a habit to fast-travel to a trader and cash it all in at the end of every quest.
At a guess I probably bring back around 1000 caps of loot from an average quest (guns, armor and chems).
Most traders have around 350 caps to buy stuff with so I will trade my loot for 650 caps-worth of ammo and take their 350 caps as well.


I made the conscious decision to do all this stuff about 3 days ago and I've gone from having hundreds of rounds of ammo' to having thousands of rounds of ammo' since then.

A couple of other random ammo-related observations/suggestions:-

.38 is decent ammo' when fired from a fully-modded .38 combat rifle.
Build one when you can, carry it all the time and use it for any encounters with regular raiders and gunners.

Full-auto weapons chew through ammo.
Use semi-auto weapons and never give a full-auto weapon to a follower because they'll burn through a heap of ammo in a few seconds.

The Glowing Sea is a black-hole for ammunition.
It's full of hostiles that can soak up a LOT of damage so you'll use a lot of ammo' while you're there.
Don't go randomly exploring the Glowing Sea unless you've got all the ammo' you need.

Go for head-shots using semi-auto upgraded guns.
A hostile that can soak up half a magazine of unaimed shots from a basic gun can often be killed by a single head-shot from an upgraded 10mm pistol if you're at a range where it's effective.

Energy weapons are much more effective than projectile weapons but don't let that worry you.
Later on in the game you'll find energy weapons (other than the regular laser rifles and institute rifles) that can deal a LOT of damage but, even so, you'll rarely find yourself outgunned if you have a half-decent sniper rifle or combat rifle.
So, fight your battles using projectile weapons, loot enemies for their fancy energy weapons, upgrade them and then keep them for occasions where you're likely to need to kill things like Deathclaws or Behemoths (which can soap up huge amounts of damage) rather than using them against enemies who shoot back.
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Old 01-01-2016, 17:51
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Is there anything actually worth seeking out in the Glowing Sea? Beyond actual missions, of course. Is there any point in me exploring it, beyond it looking cool?
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Old 01-01-2016, 19:02
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I'm having real trouble with ammo. I have 1000s of bullets for the minigun and the .50 action rifle (one of the underdogs in the game), but everything else i can barely reach 100 of. I spent 10k caps on ammo and was depleted again soon after, and I have lvl 3 Scrounger perk. It's pretty strange.

I actually think caps are useless in this game. Maybe it's because i'm playing Normal difficulty, but I don't have any real need to buy anything, and i've only been to a vendor a maximum of about 3 times. Everything is scavenged, and because of regeneration you will never be short on items.
One thing I do when going into a fight with an enemy if possible is to not use a weapon that is too overpowered for the enemy I'm facing. Such as I can't see the point of wasting my .44 or .50 ammo to defeat something like a radroach when I can do this quite easily with a much less powerful gun and ammo combo or even a knife.
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Old 01-01-2016, 19:30
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Is there anything actually worth seeking out in the Glowing Sea? Beyond actual missions, of course. Is there any point in me exploring it, beyond it looking cool?
I was wondering this I have no quests either, but the Sentinel Site was the coolest to explore in the entire game.
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Old 01-01-2016, 20:27
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I'm having real trouble with ammo. I have 1000s of bullets for the minigun and the .50 action rifle (one of the underdogs in the game), but everything else i can barely reach 100 of. I spent 10k caps on ammo and was depleted again soon after, and I have lvl 3 Scrounger perk. It's pretty strange.

I actually think caps are useless in this game. Maybe it's because i'm playing Normal difficulty, but I don't have any real need to buy anything, and i've only been to a vendor a maximum of about 3 times. Everything is scavenged, and because of regeneration you will never be short on items.
This might seem like a silly question, but are you looting bodies? That is where I find the vast majority of my ammo and I don't have the Scrounger perk at all.

I'm playing on Normal difficulty as well and my loadout ensures I have, as far as is possible, one of every ammo type. My 'go-to' gun is a modified 10mm, for which ammo seems to be in very steady supply - I usually come out of firefights with more than I went in. I have at least 150 bullets for every gun I carry (I'm level 20). Add it all up and that is more than enough ammo.
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Old 01-01-2016, 20:34
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i always carried one gun of each ammo type so when one type became depleted i switched to another and by the time that I had ran out of the second type of ammo i had scrounged loads of the first type i had ran out of
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Old 02-01-2016, 10:35
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I am thinking of getting Fallout 4 today but wanted a few opinions if I get a reply in time.

Firstly is it any good?

I have been playing Wither 3 for the last 6 months. Finished it twice with different options but I can't stop playing it. Is it similar in regards to game play? I don't mean story line.

Asda currently have it on for £30 for the Xbox One. Is it worth this?

Many thanks
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Old 02-01-2016, 11:43
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I am thinking of getting Fallout 4 today but wanted a few opinions if I get a reply in time.

Firstly is it any good?

I have been playing Wither 3 for the last 6 months. Finished it twice with different options but I can't stop playing it. Is it similar in regards to game play? I don't mean story line.

Asda currently have it on for £30 for the Xbox One. Is it worth this?

Many thanks
Both games are similar in that you go around exploring and completing quests for different people. If you have ever played any of the Elder Scrolls games then Fallout 4 will have a very similar style and feel about it as they by the same developer.

I personally think £30 for this game is well worth the money and if you are lucky the version of Fallout 4 you get will hopefully have a download code in the pack that will get you Fallout 3 for free that you can then play on your Xbox One via backwards compatibility.
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Old 02-01-2016, 14:22
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Is there anything actually worth seeking out in the Glowing Sea? Beyond actual missions, of course. Is there any point in me exploring it, beyond it looking cool?
Ummm....

I've found a couple of sets of power armor out there although obviously there are more convenient places to find it.

Just for the sake of gameplay I have my own "rule" where I only ever fast-travel as far as the nearest settlement to an objective and then I travel the rest of the way on foot.
As a result of this I've spent quite a bit of time trudging around the Glowing Sea and I've often found myself thinking "Oooh! That's cool!" but I don't think there's much out there that's particularly unique - aside from some mission-specific things you'll be asked to do, of course.

I HAVE found that it's a real black-hole for ammo' though.
There's just so many Deathclaws and Radscorpions that I always end up burning through an absolute heap of ammo while wandering around.
I (literally) just got finished delivering Virgil's cure to him and I got through a dozen fusion cores for a laser-gatling and about 6000 rounds of 5mm ammo for a regular gatling gun and Cait got through another 3000 rounds of 5mm ammo for her gatling gun as well!

I suppose another bit of advice might be to avoid using the guns that you use for "normal" missions in the Glowing Sea.
Pick a couple of hard-hitting guns and keep them especially for exploring it and, that way, you won't end up running out of ammo that you need for day-to-day shooting.
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Old 02-01-2016, 15:54
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Both games are similar in that you go around exploring and completing quests for different people. If you have ever played any of the Elder Scrolls games then Fallout 4 will have a very similar style and feel about it as they by the same developer.

I personally think £30 for this game is well worth the money and if you are lucky the version of Fallout 4 you get will hopefully have a download code in the pack that will get you Fallout 3 for free that you can then play on your Xbox One via backwards compatibility.
Well I Went to Asda and turns out online and in store prices are different. It is £44 in store. So I ordered it from Amazon. Gives me more time on Witcher 3
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Old 02-01-2016, 17:00
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Well I Went to Asda and turns out online and in store prices are different. It is £44 in store. So I ordered it from Amazon. Gives me more time on Witcher 3
Probably too late now but game have it in store for £30 at the moment.
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Old 02-01-2016, 18:19
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NOOO!!!!! I've been playing Fallout 4 for nearly a month....and I've only just realised that you can work your way DOWN the perk chart, without having to fill up all the stars on the previous rank.....

What a massive idiot! 😩😆
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Old 02-01-2016, 19:35
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NOOO!!!!! I've been playing Fallout 4 for nearly a month....and I've only just realised that you can work your way DOWN the perk chart, without having to fill up all the stars on the previous rank.....

What a massive idiot! 😩😆
Sorry to be an idiot, but do you mean you didn't realise you could skip perks as you work your way down the chart? As in, you could ignore the first 3 under strength for instance but get the 4th?
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Old 02-01-2016, 20:03
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I love exploring the glowing sea, at level 65 enemies barely cause me any damage and I can kill most enemies no problem with my 215 damage shotgun, I also wear the hazmat suit to avoid rads. I go there to hunt radscorpions and deathclaw, cook them and sell them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i56BQ5zYPBU
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Old 03-01-2016, 00:43
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NOOO!!!!! I've been playing Fallout 4 for nearly a month....and I've only just realised that you can work your way DOWN the perk chart, without having to fill up all the stars on the previous rank.....

What a massive idiot! 😩😆
Not to rub salt in the wound but I hope you're also aware that the perk list scrolls down to provide a much greater variety of perks too?

I made exactly the same mistake and posted about it a couple of weeks ago.

As a veteran of Skyrim I had a basic expectation of how the perk system would work but, in Skyrim, when you invest in enough of one perk a new one gets "unlocked" and I was expecting something similar in F4.
I was expecting that I'd take a bunch of, say, Agility perks and eventually the perks underneath it would cease to be "greyed-out" and I'd be allowed to take them.

I didn't realise that any greyed-out perk IS already available and it's only the ones that are completely invisible that need "unlocking".
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Old 03-01-2016, 03:45
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Thank you, I finally found it tonight though it's too late to start the quest now, I'll have to start it tomorrow.
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Old 03-01-2016, 13:23
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Not to rub salt in the wound but I hope you're also aware that the perk list scrolls down to provide a much greater variety of perks too?

I made exactly the same mistake and posted about it a couple of weeks ago.

As a veteran of Skyrim I had a basic expectation of how the perk system would work but, in Skyrim, when you invest in enough of one perk a new one gets "unlocked" and I was expecting something similar in F4.
I was expecting that I'd take a bunch of, say, Agility perks and eventually the perks underneath it would cease to be "greyed-out" and I'd be allowed to take them.

I didn't realise that any greyed-out perk IS already available and it's only the ones that are completely invisible that need "unlocking".
I fell for that, after about level 10 or so I realized I could scroll down
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Old 03-01-2016, 14:39
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This shotgun is lethal
http://youtu.be/-lVBbW7xkbo
It's the gun doing all the work if i'd used my normal .45 combat rifle I would have been killed numerous times trying to tackle them.
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Old 03-01-2016, 16:15
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Which shotgun is that?
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Old 03-01-2016, 16:49
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Has anyone had the protection robots fight a deathclaw? it was pretty cool I had never seen it before, so I recorded for fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoRsDKkkzgA
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Old 03-01-2016, 16:55
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Has anyone had the protection robots fight a deathclaw? it was pretty cool I had never seen it before, so I recorded for fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoRsDKkkzgA
Yeah I had those 4 fight a death claw and the deathclaw wasted all of them. Thankfully they softened him up so he was pretty easy.
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Old 03-01-2016, 16:56
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Which shotgun is that?

It's an Explosive Advanced Combat Shotgun, I have the rifleman perk maxed out so it does 215 damage, I rarely use it as it makes the game too easy.
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Old 03-01-2016, 20:12
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I love exploring the glowing sea, at level 65 enemies barely cause me any damage and I can kill most enemies no problem with my 215 damage shotgun, I also wear the hazmat suit to avoid rads. I go there to hunt radscorpions and deathclaw, cook them and sell them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i56BQ5zYPBU
I'd watch a cookery programme based on this.

Sounds much more interesting than Jamie or Nigella .
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Old 03-01-2016, 23:46
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Can you believe after 100 hours+ I have only just discovered Vault 81 that is in the centre of the map

Are there any good quests in there? all I did was meet the doctor who took a sample or something but never got back to me, I'm just wandering around getting lost.
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Old 04-01-2016, 00:13
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I am thinking of getting Fallout 4 today but wanted a few opinions if I get a reply in time.

Firstly is it any good?

I have been playing Wither 3 for the last 6 months. Finished it twice with different options but I can't stop playing it. Is it similar in regards to game play? I don't mean story line.

Asda currently have it on for £30 for the Xbox One. Is it worth this?

Many thanks
It's not even close to being as good as the Witcher 3. It compares poorly in nearly every area. This is more to do with the witcher 3 being exceptionally good though, than fallout being exceptionally bad.

Tbh I found F4 pretty disappointing really. If you have played F3 or New Vegas you know what to expect, except here the missions are entirely go somewhere and kill everyone.

I did put 40 hours in though before i realised it wasn't going to get any better. Its not a bad game really, just feels about 5 years old and is so-so in many ways.
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