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Old Endeavour
04-06-2015
The VERY minimum that should happen and happen first of all is a full public apology (Not one that goes 'Oops! We just went about things slightly wrongly' and the announcement that as people WERE (confirmation) misled, they are entitled to claim a full refund.

That's the minimum legal requirement and sadly if they did that, that is all they would do as they have no interest in being fair to the other contestants. All they will ever do is what they are legally forced into doing so.

It should be a lot more as the whole voting was directly affected by it and with the top two so close, carrying on acting like she won it is carrying on under false pretences.

So what they should do and what they will do is only what they get forced legally to do and as usual stick two fingers up at the viewers.

So no change with a Simon Cowell show.
Dalekbuster523
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Old Endeavour:
“The VERY minimum that should happen and happen first of all is a full public apology (Not one that goes 'Oops! We just went about things slightly wrongly' and the announcement that as people WERE (confirmation) misled, they are entitled to claim a full refund.”

There's no need for a full public apology. Nobody was conned. If they paid to vote, that's their fault.

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“That's the minimum legal requirement and sadly if they did that, that is all they would do as they have no interest in being fair to the other contestants.”

The competition was already fair to the contestants. If you're seriously suggesting that a extra dog made the competition unfair, then I'm sorry but your opinion (because that's all it is) is ridiculous.

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“It should be a lot more as the whole voting was directly affected by it and with the top two so close, carrying on acting like she won it is carrying on under false pretences.”

She did win. This is a fact.
njp
04-06-2015
Or, the incessant whiners could give up their stupid revenge fantasies and acquire some perspective.
Kromm
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Old Endeavour:
“The VERY minimum that should happen and happen first of all is a full public apology (Not one that goes 'Oops! We just went about things slightly wrongly' and the announcement that as people WERE (confirmation) misled, they are entitled to claim a full refund.”

Sure. An apology from the show, sure.

From Jules? Not so much. At best her "sin" was marginal--doing what she was told by someone she perceived to be "in charge" of the situation.
Old Endeavour
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“If they paid to vote, that's their fault.”

Suggest you correct yourself and go and look up the law on voting.
You utterly refuse to take anyone else's work for it so go and look it up yourself and get educated!.
Paace
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“There's no need for a full public apology. Nobody was conned. If they paid to vote, that's their fault.


The competition was already fair to the contestants. If you're seriously suggesting that a extra dog made the competition unfair, then I'm sorry but your opinion (because that's all it is) is ridiculous.


She did win. This is a fact.”

It's the way they tried to hide the fact that another dog performed the wire part . Mattise goes into a building . They hid what went on inside this building . Whilst hidden form view another dog was substituted . No mention was made of this during the show . Then Mattise emerges from the behind a closed door as if he had performed the high wire part and gets all the praise . It was more like a trick that a magician would perform .
I think we can all see why the producers would want to keep the subterfuge hidden . One woman and her dog would garner more sympathy and admiration .

BTW who discovered the substitution ?

She may still have won if the voters knew that another dog did the high wire part but she may not .
sj8585
04-06-2015
The end result would have been no different if they had the third dog on the stage at the end. If anything, more people would vote because Britain loves dogs, the more, the better.

I don't really get the problem to be honest. Yes, its a bit annoying that they didn't say, but is it really that big an issue? Most people can barely get their dogs to sit down or think its an achievement when they can. This woman has trained at least 3 dogs to be able to do this kind of thing and that is extremely impressive.

Meanwhile, a magician made a note appear in a lemon. Should be be stripped of second place because he actually cut a hole in the bottom and pushed it in? Surely that is just as deceptive? After all, he didn't actually use magic to make it appear, and it was pushed through a hole and wasn't inside the lemon itself!
spikewoman
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“It's the way they tried to hide the fact that another dog performed the wire part . Mattise goes into a building . They hid what went on inside this building . Whilst hidden form view another dog was substituted . No mention was made of this during the show . Then Mattise emerges from the behind a closed door as if he had performed the high wire part and gets all the praise . It was more like a trick that a magician would perform .
I think we can all see why the producers would want to keep the subterfuge hidden . One woman and her dog would garner more sympathy and admiration .

BTW who discovered the substitution ?

She may still have won if the voters knew that another dog did the high wire part but she may not .”

BIB Jules herself mentioned it in an interview on "Lorraine" I think it was.

As for discovering it Chase himself had his name on his collar and there was a whole production team and floor crew who knew what was happening before the show in rehearsals and during the show.
dellzincht
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Old Endeavour:
“The VERY minimum that should happen and happen first of all is a full public apology (Not one that goes 'Oops! We just went about things slightly wrongly' and the announcement that as people WERE (confirmation) misled, they are entitled to claim a full refund.

That's the minimum legal requirement and sadly if they did that, that is all they would do as they have no interest in being fair to the other contestants. All they will ever do is what they are legally forced into doing so.

It should be a lot more as the whole voting was directly affected by it and with the top two so close, carrying on acting like she won it is carrying on under false pretences.

So what they should do and what they will do is only what they get forced legally to do and as usual stick two fingers up at the viewers.

So no change with a Simon Cowell show.”

What on earth are you blithering on about regarding minimum legal requirements?

Please stop, you're making yourself look really silly now.
CollieWobbles
04-06-2015
I can't believe some are still banging on about their 50p being wasted If you needed it that badly why did you use it to vote for a tv show of all things?

The act was a dog act, the person in the act was a dog trainer, they were all her dogs, she trained them all, she told a story with them, she won. The end, simple as that.
spikewoman
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by CollieWobbles:
“I can't believe some are still banging on about their 50p being wasted If you needed it that badly why did you use it to vote for a tv show of all things?

The act was a dog act, the person in the act was a dog trainer, they were all her dogs, she trained them all, she told a story with them, she won. The end, simple as that.”

And every post and comment on every site (including this comment I'm just as guilty) is prolonging Cowell's ecstasy over extended publicity.
crease
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Sarah Anne:
“I'm starting to feel silly. All his shows are manipulated and fixed yet year after year they reappear on our telly. xx”

Selective Quoting.
crease
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by CollieWobbles:
“I can't believe some are still banging on about their 50p being wasted If you needed it that badly why did you use it to vote for a tv show of all things?

The act was a dog act, the person in the act was a dog trainer, they were all her dogs, she trained them all, she told a story with them, she won. The end, simple as that.”

Its not 50p , it's 50p multiplied by the number of voters,ITV earned around a £1000,000, a possible million pound fraud should at least be investigated.
CollieWobbles
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by crease:
“Its not 50p , it's 50p multiplied by the number of voters,ITV earned around a £1000,000, a possible million pound fraud should at least be investigated.”

It doesn't need to be investigated, it's not fraud. And it might be a possible million overall, but it's only 50p to whoever voted, unless they voted thousands of times which I doubt very much.
myscimitar
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by crease:
“Its not 50p , it's 50p multiplied by the number of voters,ITV earned around a £1000,000, a possible million pound fraud should at least be investigated.”

And she got her huge win from the voters, I for one would not have voted with 2 dogs involved, how many others would have done the same, my guess enough for her to lose and not get the 1/4 million prize!
Dalekbuster523
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Old Endeavour:
“Suggest you correct yourself and go and look up the law on voting.
You utterly refuse to take anyone else's work for it so go and look it up yourself and get educated!.”

Suggest you look up the law on fraud and which is worse between that and murder.
njp
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“And she got her huge win from the voters, I for one would not have voted with 2 dogs involved, how many others would have done the same, my guess enough for her to lose and not get the 1/4 million prize!”

You didn't vote for her at all. Your fantasy is comical.
Sarah Anne
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“And she got her huge win from the voters, I for one would not have voted with 2 dogs involved, how many others would have done the same, my guess enough for her to lose and not get the 1/4 million prize!”

Your dreaming. The money from the voters is mere pocket money for Cowell! Your 50 pence made no difference at all.
That prize money again is a small chip out of ITVS fortune. If ITV or cowell needed the money from the vote so badly to pay people- then there wouldn't be a FREE APP!!!
Seriously!!! Think about it!!!
SULLA
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“What does that first sentence have to do with either the price of tea in China OR this situation? It's like (as in most of the posts on this subject) people are just spitting out random sentences which don't even make sense.

Of course they knew she had multiple dogs and what each dog could do. And you ADMITTED they knew because she told them. So how does that make her guilty of fraud? SHE TOLD THEM.

If she'd withheld information from them you might have an argument of her guilt. Her telling them supports the very OPPOSITE argument, because it put the decision in the producer's hands and she just had to do what they instructed (or get tossed off the show).”

I agree that she did not deserve to win.
CollieWobbles
04-06-2015
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“And she got her huge win from the voters, I for one would not have voted with 2 dogs involved, how many others would have done the same, my guess enough for her to lose and not get the 1/4 million prize!”

But you didn't like the act so why did you vote for it? Not sure about anyone else but I don't vote for things I don't like!
Kromm
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by spikewoman:
“BIB Jules herself mentioned it in an interview on "Lorraine" I think it was.

As for discovering it Chase himself had his name on his collar and there was a whole production team and floor crew who knew what was happening before the show in rehearsals and during the show.”

So lets get this straight. Jules is the one who told the public. Jules is the one who we've heard wanted to name the act something like "Jules and Matisse and Friends" and the producers are the ones who disallowed it. Jules is the one who made sure the dog-collar had the name of the dog who performed the act on it.

So yeah. Obviously she's a huge liar and a dire criminal who deserves the maximum jail time and penalty for fraud. She sounds really dangerous and unethical!
SULLA
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“So yeah. Obviously she's a huge liar and a dire criminal who deserves the maximum jail time and penalty for fraud. She sounds really dangerous and unethical!”

That's a bit harsh
dellzincht
05-06-2015
Do people just not get sarcasm on here?
Lyceum
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by dellzincht:
“Do people just not get sarcasm on here?”

There are some posters who don't get logic and common sense so asking them to get sarcasm really is pushing it.
Sarah Anne
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by Lyceum:
“There are some posters who don't get logic and common sense so asking them to get sarcasm really is pushing it.”

This ^^^
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