Originally Posted by cavalli:
“Had to read that twice but yes, I agree
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“Had to read that twice but yes, I agree
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He's probs managing to do that at the same time too
Marc's brand of 'banter'
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Don't think subtle is the right word in relation to Marq's banter.
It's not all he does, unlike Simon who has a definite pattern on loop. Praise someone to their face then eviscerate them behind their backs or in the DR. Then start a pity me party complete with fake cries and threats to leave.
Still I can't warm to him because of the words he chooses to verbally bash the women (and only the women). It's the same reason Danny will never get me on side and Kieron never had me on side. They way they talked about the women was disgusting.
Marq does go too far in what he says to the women. Way too far
It's not all he does, unlike Simon who has a definite pattern on loop. Praise someone to their face then eviscerate them behind their backs or in the DR. Then start a pity me party complete with fake cries and threats to leave.
Still I can't warm to him because of the words he chooses to verbally bash the women (and only the women). It's the same reason Danny will never get me on side and Kieron never had me on side. They way they talked about the women was disgusting.
Marq does go too far in what he says to the women. Way too far
Originally Posted by cavalli:
“I noticed he made reference to his lack of height tonight, a degree of self depreciation tempers the arrogant arse persona nicely.
It's pretty much impossible to take offense to him imo.”
“I noticed he made reference to his lack of height tonight, a degree of self depreciation tempers the arrogant arse persona nicely.
It's pretty much impossible to take offense to him imo.”
Really!? What I saw was someone who wouldn't/couldn't empathize with Chloe even when she repeatedly told him that his banter was too much for her... all he did was to turn the conversation back to himself.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
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I completely agree. But it does make him more interesting, by definition, than the constant 'isn't East Angular foreign?' 'How the f**k am I supposed to know how to spell canoe?' 'Who's Shakespeare' housemate template.
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I completely agree. But it does make him more interesting, by definition, than the constant 'isn't East Angular foreign?' 'How the f**k am I supposed to know how to spell canoe?' 'Who's Shakespeare' housemate template.
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Yes, I think it's a first - housemate with a decent education behaving like an uneducated dick for fame. For that it's quite interesting but I don't enjoy him.
Originally Posted by heresitting:
“Really!? What I saw was someone who wouldn't/couldn't empathize with Chloe even when she repeatedly told him that his banter was too much for her... all he did was to turn the conversation back to himself.”
“Really!? What I saw was someone who wouldn't/couldn't empathize with Chloe even when she repeatedly told him that his banter was too much for her... all he did was to turn the conversation back to himself.”
Eh, honestly I don't know what I think of Chloe at this point.
Instinct tells me she was milking every drop of offense out of that exchange just for the hell of it but I'm open to being corrected.
I hate people like Marc who think if you dont like his sexist or rude comments then you are just a humourless bitch who doesn't understand "witty banter".
if it was "banter" he would direct it towards the men in the house but he hasnt called a single bloke in there a pig or a cum bucket.
he is full of sh*t
if it was "banter" he would direct it towards the men in the house but he hasnt called a single bloke in there a pig or a cum bucket.
he is full of sh*t
Originally Posted by Vesna:
“Don't think subtle is the right word in relation to Marq's banter.
It's not all he does, unlike Simon who has a definite pattern on loop. Praise someone to their face then eviscerate them behind their backs or in the DR. Then start a pity me party complete with fake cries and threats to leave.
Still I can't warm to him because of the words he chooses to verbally bash the women (and only the women). It's the same reason Danny will never get me on side and Kieron never had me on side. They way they talked about the women was disgusting.
Marq does go too far in what he says to the women. Way too far”
“Don't think subtle is the right word in relation to Marq's banter.
It's not all he does, unlike Simon who has a definite pattern on loop. Praise someone to their face then eviscerate them behind their backs or in the DR. Then start a pity me party complete with fake cries and threats to leave.
Still I can't warm to him because of the words he chooses to verbally bash the women (and only the women). It's the same reason Danny will never get me on side and Kieron never had me on side. They way they talked about the women was disgusting.
Marq does go too far in what he says to the women. Way too far”
Goes back to knowing your crowd when it comes to your 'banter'. But Marc is just one of those people who doesn't care though. He gets on with his 'banter' regardless of the crowd. He's a jester.
He also will know doing your 'banter' regardless of what any one else thinks , that works better in the BB house than in life. Because BB is obviously regulated very closely. No one will turn on him to aggressively or any thing like that. Things that can and do happen in life.
Originally Posted by Evilredzebra:
“Yes, I think it's a first - housemate with a decent education behaving like an uneducated dick for fame. For that it's quite interesting but I don't enjoy him.”
“Yes, I think it's a first - housemate with a decent education behaving like an uneducated dick for fame. For that it's quite interesting but I don't enjoy him.”
I don't know that I don't 'enjoy' him. I can't stand him as an individual, but he's an interesting development in hm profile. I can't abide his misogyny; and I think it's inexcusable. I find it frustrating that he's defined himself by it, because he hints at an ability to be about a lot more than that, if that makes any sense.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I don't know that I don't 'enjoy' him. I can't stand him as an individual, but he's an interesting development in hm profile. I can't abide his misogyny; and I think it's inexcusable. I find it frustrating that he's defined himself by it, because he hints at an ability to be about a lot more than that, if that makes any sense.”
“I don't know that I don't 'enjoy' him. I can't stand him as an individual, but he's an interesting development in hm profile. I can't abide his misogyny; and I think it's inexcusable. I find it frustrating that he's defined himself by it, because he hints at an ability to be about a lot more than that, if that makes any sense.”
I've got a strong suspicion that he's closeted and his 'misogyny' is possibly him just playing what he thinks is the role of the straight laddish lad.
That's based on nowt but my rather rusty gaydar though so please feel free to take it with a massive pinch of salt
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Great post, patsy.
I don't like much of Marc's banter, it's so gross and disrespectful, and i loathed him on his first day but it's the other dimensions of his character that have drawn me in. Or rather, the whole paradoxical mess of it. He's incredibly sharp and (I reckon) quite deep but plays at being one dimensional. Hes vicious but also capable of kindness and loyalty. He's arrogant but also self-deprecating and self-aware. He's honest to a fault (literally) and horribly personal but somehow manages to charm his way out of it. He's fearless and shameless but for such an attention seeker, he doesn't seem to give a crap what anyone thinks of him (that lack of fragile ego alone makes him a rarity of a HM.)
I find him incorrigible but really watchable. He might even go down as one of BBs iconic HMs.”
“Great post, patsy.
I don't like much of Marc's banter, it's so gross and disrespectful, and i loathed him on his first day but it's the other dimensions of his character that have drawn me in. Or rather, the whole paradoxical mess of it. He's incredibly sharp and (I reckon) quite deep but plays at being one dimensional. Hes vicious but also capable of kindness and loyalty. He's arrogant but also self-deprecating and self-aware. He's honest to a fault (literally) and horribly personal but somehow manages to charm his way out of it. He's fearless and shameless but for such an attention seeker, he doesn't seem to give a crap what anyone thinks of him (that lack of fragile ego alone makes him a rarity of a HM.)
I find him incorrigible but really watchable. He might even go down as one of BBs iconic HMs.”
Yep ,i agree with all you have written ..plus i just love how he has got the others to reveal sides of themselves they were keeping hidden ,in the hope they could coast their way to the final
Originally Posted by cavalli:
“Eh, honestly I don't know what I think of Chloe at this point.
Instinct tells me she was milking every drop of offense out of that exchange just for the hell of it but I'm open to being corrected.”
“Eh, honestly I don't know what I think of Chloe at this point.
Instinct tells me she was milking every drop of offense out of that exchange just for the hell of it but I'm open to being corrected.”
I think she gets louder after a bit of drink. The clips of her during the day she's usually talking calmly and expresses herself pretty good. The clips later in the night.. not so much calm.
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Goes back to knowing your crowd when it comes to your 'banter'. But Marc is just one of those people who doesn't care though. He gets on with his 'banter' regardless of the crowd. He's a jester.
He also will know doing your 'banter' regardless of what any one else thinks , that works better in the BB house than in life. Because BB is obviously regulated very closely. No one will turn on him to aggressively or any thing like that. Things that can and do happen in life.”
“Goes back to knowing your crowd when it comes to your 'banter'. But Marc is just one of those people who doesn't care though. He gets on with his 'banter' regardless of the crowd. He's a jester.
He also will know doing your 'banter' regardless of what any one else thinks , that works better in the BB house than in life. Because BB is obviously regulated very closely. No one will turn on him to aggressively or any thing like that. Things that can and do happen in life.”
There is a reason he was cast in the Irish version of Jersey/Geordie Shore.
He does that sort of vulgar body obsessed character perfectly. If he would just lose the disgusting random things he throws at the women OR do it to the men as well. I'd have no reason to dislike him.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I don't know that I don't 'enjoy' him. I can't stand him as an individual, but he's an interesting development in hm profile. I can't abide his misogyny; and I think it's inexcusable. I find it frustrating that he's defined himself by it, because he hints at an ability to be about a lot more than that, if that makes any sense.”
“I don't know that I don't 'enjoy' him. I can't stand him as an individual, but he's an interesting development in hm profile. I can't abide his misogyny; and I think it's inexcusable. I find it frustrating that he's defined himself by it, because he hints at an ability to be about a lot more than that, if that makes any sense.”
Perhaps he is and we don't see it. Joel commented yesterday that Marc was very knowledgeable. I thought from the start both Marc and Joel would click, they're the two brightest in there, in the smarts department from what I can see, and perhaps Marc talks about other stuff but we don't get to see it.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I don't know that I don't 'enjoy' him. I can't stand him as an individual, but he's an interesting development in hm profile. I can't abide his misogyny; and I think it's inexcusable. I find it frustrating that he's defined himself by it, because he hints at an ability to be about a lot more than that, if that makes any sense.”
“I don't know that I don't 'enjoy' him. I can't stand him as an individual, but he's an interesting development in hm profile. I can't abide his misogyny; and I think it's inexcusable. I find it frustrating that he's defined himself by it, because he hints at an ability to be about a lot more than that, if that makes any sense.”
Yes it makes sense but ............he is what he is, I can't be bothered to look beyond his dick headeness.
Originally Posted by cah:
“Yep ,i agree with all you have written ..plus i just love how he has got the others to reveal sides of themselves they were keeping hidden ,in the hope they could coast their way to the final”
“Yep ,i agree with all you have written ..plus i just love how he has got the others to reveal sides of themselves they were keeping hidden ,in the hope they could coast their way to the final”
I don't see any of that. Nothing has been brought out by him or Simon for that matter that I didn't already know or suspect. Danny is the only one that I've thought was coasting to the final (as a strategy) before the 4 went in. I still think he is.
I know a lot of people seem to have missed Chloe's appearances so far but I haven't. She's not be hiding nor coasting. Up until recently she hasn't been attacked out of the blue so I didn't know before how she would react exactly but I thought she'd fight her corner and she has.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I'm getting the strong impression that people are becoming decidedly negative about the use of 'banter' as an excuse for Marc's behaviour - and I sympathise completely.
However, I will say that there's something very familiar to me about Marc; in a very qualified manner. I have six brothers - Irish 'lads' who take the pish to the absolute limit every single conversation, every day. We never refer to it as banter, though; it's usually called 'rising' in our house. You're getting the 'rise' out of someone.
What marks you as someone who's good at taking the rise is quickness. Marc has this, to be fair to him. However, his language and turn of phrase would see him decimated in general company. It's far too coarse and misogynistic. I mean 'pee, hatch, aaa, tea' for fat. FFS,
He's definitely quick witted and smart; but his vocabulary and turn of phrase are embarrassingly common for someone who's apparently relatively book smart. I took the trouble to check the points on the degree he has and he did very well at secondary school to get a place on the course he's studying. He should have the capacity for a level of loquaciousness that's entirely absent from his attempts at rising.
Speaking entirely from personal experience, it is a kind of leg-lifting exercise (to be fair to Eileen - she hit on something there). I've seen women pant after my brothers after being subtly insulted for hours. But he's so crude about it. Then there's the tan, the eyebrows and the dreadful accent.
A poor attempt; but it seems to be working. He's a half-cooked character; but I suppose that's enough to gain serious ground in a house of genuine half-wits.”
“I'm getting the strong impression that people are becoming decidedly negative about the use of 'banter' as an excuse for Marc's behaviour - and I sympathise completely.
However, I will say that there's something very familiar to me about Marc; in a very qualified manner. I have six brothers - Irish 'lads' who take the pish to the absolute limit every single conversation, every day. We never refer to it as banter, though; it's usually called 'rising' in our house. You're getting the 'rise' out of someone.
What marks you as someone who's good at taking the rise is quickness. Marc has this, to be fair to him. However, his language and turn of phrase would see him decimated in general company. It's far too coarse and misogynistic. I mean 'pee, hatch, aaa, tea' for fat. FFS,
He's definitely quick witted and smart; but his vocabulary and turn of phrase are embarrassingly common for someone who's apparently relatively book smart. I took the trouble to check the points on the degree he has and he did very well at secondary school to get a place on the course he's studying. He should have the capacity for a level of loquaciousness that's entirely absent from his attempts at rising.
Speaking entirely from personal experience, it is a kind of leg-lifting exercise (to be fair to Eileen - she hit on something there). I've seen women pant after my brothers after being subtly insulted for hours. But he's so crude about it. Then there's the tan, the eyebrows and the dreadful accent.
A poor attempt; but it seems to be working. He's a half-cooked character; but I suppose that's enough to gain serious ground in a house of genuine half-wits.”
All I shall say is that the guy is a genius. Have you heard of Ali G? Well, this guy is as brash and irreverent as Ali G. Both of them are genius in real life. Ali G portrayed by Sacha Cohen: a Cambridge graduate and Marc a PhD in Chemistry (well, fingers cross till October).
He ian playing the house and is enjoying it.
Doctor to be 2 win!
Originally Posted by dinbin:
“All I shall say is that the guy is a genius. Have you heard of Ali G? Well, this guy is as brash and irreverent as Ali G. Both of them are genius in real life. Ali G portrayed by Sacha Cohen: a Cambridge graduate and Marc a PhD in Chemistry (well, fingers cross till October).
He ian playing the house and is enjoying it.
Doctor to be 2 win!”
“All I shall say is that the guy is a genius. Have you heard of Ali G? Well, this guy is as brash and irreverent as Ali G. Both of them are genius in real life. Ali G portrayed by Sacha Cohen: a Cambridge graduate and Marc a PhD in Chemistry (well, fingers cross till October).
He ian playing the house and is enjoying it.
Doctor to be 2 win!”
He's schooled in reality tv.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I'm getting the strong impression that people are becoming decidedly negative about the use of 'banter' as an excuse for Marc's behaviour - and I sympathise completely.
However, I will say that there's something very familiar to me about Marc; in a very qualified manner. I have six brothers - Irish 'lads' who take the pish to the absolute limit every single conversation, every day. We never refer to it as banter, though; it's usually called 'rising' in our house. You're getting the 'rise' out of someone.
What marks you as someone who's good at taking the rise is quickness. Marc has this, to be fair to him. However, his language and turn of phrase would see him decimated in general company. It's far too coarse and misogynistic. I mean 'pee, hatch, aaa, tea' for fat. FFS,
He's definitely quick witted and smart; but his vocabulary and turn of phrase are embarrassingly common for someone who's apparently relatively book smart. I took the trouble to check the points on the degree he has and he did very well at secondary school to get a place on the course he's studying. He should have the capacity for a level of loquaciousness that's entirely absent from his attempts at rising.
Speaking entirely from personal experience, it is a kind of leg-lifting exercise (to be fair to Eileen - she hit on something there). I've seen women pant after my brothers after being subtly insulted for hours. But he's so crude about it. Then there's the tan, the eyebrows and the dreadful accent.
A poor attempt; but it seems to be working. He's a half-cooked character; but I suppose that's enough to gain serious ground in a house of genuine half-wits.”
“I'm getting the strong impression that people are becoming decidedly negative about the use of 'banter' as an excuse for Marc's behaviour - and I sympathise completely.
However, I will say that there's something very familiar to me about Marc; in a very qualified manner. I have six brothers - Irish 'lads' who take the pish to the absolute limit every single conversation, every day. We never refer to it as banter, though; it's usually called 'rising' in our house. You're getting the 'rise' out of someone.
What marks you as someone who's good at taking the rise is quickness. Marc has this, to be fair to him. However, his language and turn of phrase would see him decimated in general company. It's far too coarse and misogynistic. I mean 'pee, hatch, aaa, tea' for fat. FFS,
He's definitely quick witted and smart; but his vocabulary and turn of phrase are embarrassingly common for someone who's apparently relatively book smart. I took the trouble to check the points on the degree he has and he did very well at secondary school to get a place on the course he's studying. He should have the capacity for a level of loquaciousness that's entirely absent from his attempts at rising.
Speaking entirely from personal experience, it is a kind of leg-lifting exercise (to be fair to Eileen - she hit on something there). I've seen women pant after my brothers after being subtly insulted for hours. But he's so crude about it. Then there's the tan, the eyebrows and the dreadful accent.
A poor attempt; but it seems to be working. He's a half-cooked character; but I suppose that's enough to gain serious ground in a house of genuine half-wits.”
People can get over crude banter, but Marc's MO is that he forces it.
He must believe that no matter what a woman says, he can make them accept his crudeness. He brakes through their prudish (as he see's it) barriers.
At the core of Marc's soh is a disrespect for women's boundaries. Maybe men's too but it's most pronounced with women.
Originally Posted by Bacon&Eggs:
“People can get over crude banter, but Marc's MO is that he forces it.
He must believe that no matter what a woman says, he can make them accept his crudeness. He brakes through their prudish (as he see's it) barriers.
At the core of Marc's soh is a disrespect for women's boundaries. Maybe men's too but it's most pronounced with women.”
“People can get over crude banter, but Marc's MO is that he forces it.
He must believe that no matter what a woman says, he can make them accept his crudeness. He brakes through their prudish (as he see's it) barriers.
At the core of Marc's soh is a disrespect for women's boundaries. Maybe men's too but it's most pronounced with women.”
And in BB you can get away with his 'stuff' more than you could in life.
In life you have to chose how you behave in front of different kinds of people. BB it doesn't matter so much.
He understands that attraction is all about chemistry. He may have concocted a love philtre from his own secretions and put it in their food.
Marc appears to be too self-centred. Even after Sam, who he supposedly really likes, asked him several times to stop with the crude jokes, he apparently hasn't, which indicates he is not really concerned with how his behaviour affects other people.
Originally Posted by jp761:
“And in BB you can get away with his 'stuff' more than you could in life.
In life you have to chose how you behave in front of different kinds of people. BB it doesn't matter so much.”
“And in BB you can get away with his 'stuff' more than you could in life.
In life you have to chose how you behave in front of different kinds of people. BB it doesn't matter so much.”
Yea, since BB is a stage he's judged by entertainment value, which he has in spades, he's great escapism to viewers who would love to do what they want, say what they think, and generally be as big a character as they can imagine themselves.
I find it interesting that Christian, who i always felt needed to find himself a bit, seems to be seeing in Marc, a direction he'd like to follow.
And Joel, he's onto your point here. Asking Marc if he'd talk to his boss as rudely as he does them. It was the first time i'd ever seen Marc retreat from a challenge.
Originally Posted by dinbin:
“All I shall say is that the guy is a genius. Have you heard of Ali G? Well, this guy is as brash and irreverent as Ali G. Both of them are genius in real life. Ali G portrayed by Sacha Cohen: a Cambridge graduate and Marc a PhD in Chemistry (well, fingers cross till October).
He ian playing the house and is enjoying it.
Doctor to be 2 win!”
“All I shall say is that the guy is a genius. Have you heard of Ali G? Well, this guy is as brash and irreverent as Ali G. Both of them are genius in real life. Ali G portrayed by Sacha Cohen: a Cambridge graduate and Marc a PhD in Chemistry (well, fingers cross till October).
He ian playing the house and is enjoying it.
Doctor to be 2 win!”
Close... but wrong.
The difference between Sacha and Mark is that Sasha never forgot he was PLAYING a character. Marc is a one-trick pony and the Mark we see is not some is not some cleverly crafted character - it's just the way he is. Mark doesn't use outfits or accents to enhance the character, that overly pumped up body, face full of botox and filler, fake-tan is who he actually wants to be.
Much that I am loathe to say it, some of Marks craic is good! It's when he gets very personal & attacks someone, that I find him objectionable 😡
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I do think 'banter' is quite a regional thing. I recognise Marc's banter as very typically Irish - I think Danny's banter is very Southern/London. l.”
“I do think 'banter' is quite a regional thing. I recognise Marc's banter as very typically Irish - I think Danny's banter is very Southern/London. l.”
that's a low blow,they'll be mourning in the streets of Shoreditch this morning
I prefer to say someone like Arthur Smith has typical London banter, not bloody charisma free Danny
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