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Probably because he's more confident than you. In a group setting, people look to him as the 'main man' whereas there's a chance the nicer guy can't operate within a group setting. Some nice guys are actually even less confident than their women and look to their girlfriend to lead them through tougher social environments.

Most women want a man to act like a man not a pussy and thus, go for the more dominating characters within a social context (provided they are, of course, sufficiently attractive).

I'm sure there are some women who want a man to control him and would go for a wetwipe, but I tend to stay away.

^ I find it sad that things are contained to exist within a small little box.

A male is supposed to be this, this is supposed to be that way, etc.

Life can be so... uninspired and unimaginative at times.

Sexually attractive!? YUCK, that body type is repulsive to me (and I'm a woman) and lots of other woman feel the same ...

In the same way there are men who find tango, silicon-implanted, bleached blonde hair, stiletto-wearing, skimpy dresses around their backside and a full-face of make-up 24/7 attractive on women I guess....

Although low self-esteem plays a part, I also think it's a lot like being part of the in-crowd with a bully ... they've made the decision that it's better to be following Marc than risk being attacked by him.

Marc will always need to pick on someone.

ITT: Men who post in a Big Brother discussion forum wonder why girls like men who are condifent, witty and attractive.

Except that wasn't the question... or even close to.

Agreed.. but the basic needs and wants of any organism are rooted in biology and moulded over thousands of years of our species existence. That is why many women desire similar traits in a man or find certain traits to be attractive.

Everyone is slightly different but the general needs of a human, be it physiological or sexual, are actually quite common amongst us all. So whilst generalisation may seem 'uninspired' or 'unimaginative', it is nothing more than a conclusion based on facts.

They're only "facts" inasmuch until people change them imo they're not set in stone.

Certain preconceptions and ideals tell me what i should be attracted to yet i accept the road not taken for example.

Well, in all actuality what i'm attracted to has somehow become the thing now... it's not what used to be attractive when i was growing up and it was my thing.

Look at when very skinny girls were supposed to be the thing, that's what males were supposed to be attracted to... and a lot of people accepted that. Now it's the opposite.

Look at how it was told where a female's place should be and what kind of female would make the "ideal wife" at one point in time. Yet, that's changing more and more...

It's not different for these ideals and attitudes to what role a male should play, how a male should be or that males are this way or that way, all it takes is some inspiration and imagination for a change in the tides.

I'd call it misogynist filth .

I know plenty of girls like that.

My mate's BF has cheated on her multiple times. He even once came back with a lovebite three days after her grandmother had passed away whilst she was still obviously grieving. She dumped him, then next week it was back on.

Another friend of mine actually had a BF that said to her "y'know, on a serious note, if you lost weight you'd reach a point where you actually looked good." Along with a heap of other vile things he used to do. Yet she stayed with him as well for a good while.

It's awful to see, I know it's not all girls, but I really wish some of the wouldn't let themselves take so much s**t.

People cannot change the way they are wired, though. That was the point I was trying to make.

You may 'take the road less taken' but that does not mean that your way is more 'imaginative'.. it's just the way you are. If a girl likes a 'bad guy' there could be plenty of reasons for that and it's not anybody's business as to why it's the case and it's not a bad thing that it is the case. We shouldn't try to change people and we shouldn't expect people to try to change us.. just do what you enjoy and stop worrying what other people like

I did change it though through my inspiration and imagination like stated.

When growing up everything pointed me down a certain road, and i took my own road.

If people embraced that attitude of why try to change things as such, we'd be living back in the dark ages quite possibly.

Preferences can be changed with more perspective and exploration and changing of self. I used to have a major thing for brunettes, it wasn't something hard wired into my DNA... it's likely because i had a crush on Alyssa Milano and that gave me an inspirational push for brunettes and i wasn't into red hair at all... now at the moment i like lighter hair/red hair. I've come to appreciate stronger females with more inspiration and imagination as well even though i still like humble females. All of these things have the possibly of change as you change, as your perspective changes. There are some things you can't likely change such as your sexuality but when it comes to preferences and ideals and preconceptions... all of that can be changed or at least moved and expanded upon.

No one will ever understand women! even women themselves fail on most occasions to understand each other

Lol boasting your in better shape than jack isn't setting the bar very high now is it

EVERYBODY likes bad boys, men and women. They're fun and they tend to be unconventional and fearless. They make nights out at the pub adventures in sociology. Bad boys and douches are key characters in most movies, sitcoms and TV shows.

But here's the kicker: you have to have charm. You can't just walk around being mean and confrontational. And charm is very hard to define. It isn't a standard quality. Some may find politeness charming. Some just listening. Some being complimented. Some just holding a door. Some a sense of humour. But it is there and if you have it the fun douchey element that we ALL gravitate to can become quite attractive for women.

I suppose the adage "girls just wanna have fun" is most apt.

Fair enough but some seem to actually genuinely seem to want to date/marry them and "tame" them which to me is asking for trouble.

And I do think it happens in society not just the BB house. I'm confused at the attraction, maybe it is an age thing and women eventually grow out of it? who knows - I've known some women (even older/mature women!! which is even worse as they should know better) to put up with a guy openly cheating because they have such low self-esteem and desperate for him to love her ! sad but you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.. I learned that a long time ago !

I know i thought about that afterwards but saying wayyy better shape would of been more boostful

That wasn't the main point though i'm saying people should be appreciating there youth and try to get in some kind of decent shape.

Because i know for a fact it gets harder as we get older.

Personally I have no time for women who complain about there being no good men any more when they go out of their way to avoid them and date bad guys. There's plenty of good men but they simply ain't attracted to them.

I don't think Marc is a bad boy though. What women may actually be attracted to is his confidence, humour and intelligence. Also he is quite an enigmatic contradiction - ie he paints himself in outrageous laddish terms, but underneath is intelligent and sensitive .. this itself may make him fascinating and attractive.

Ditto, I don't find that body type remotely attractive either.

You answered your own question here...

Until the 'bad 'boy' send them home crying to mummy so to speak. Like other guys have mentioned i've also seen a few examples of this happening to women.

The most successful guys full stop are the ones who do the the things you're saying act douchey have some kind of charm. But they also know the limits and when to apply them , have some self awareness going on too.

Getting all this stuff right is the holy grail women will literally be around you like bee's around a honey pot.

Theres more women on this forum saying they don't find him attractive than those who do. So his looks isn't key imo.

Females have always been attracted to dominant, even brutal, males. It started in caveman days and it still happens now because we are all still cavemen.