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Old 06-06-2015, 09:56
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These "precarious" votes just don't seem to exist though. Everyone who voted for the act seems content. The only people screaming about fraud and deception are those who didn't like the act anyway and are looking for a stick to beat it with. It's pointless having the debate with them. We need to find the genuine voters who feel duped, and then have the discourse with them about whether or not they were actually misled. I can't imagine for a second they would convince me of their case anyway, but it's the absolute minimum starting point.
Exactly this. The idea that the result would be different if the canine "deception" had not occurred is just wishful thinking on the part of a few disgruntled losers.
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Old 06-06-2015, 17:06
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There was (almost certainly) no effect on the outcome though. Given that the act won by 90,000 votes you'd need to find at least 45,000 votes that people now want to retract (if by some specious logic you want to claim they'd all go to the second placed act).

These "precarious" votes just don't seem to exist though. Everyone who voted for the act seems content. The only people screaming about fraud and deception are those who didn't like the act anyway and are looking for a stick to beat it with. It's pointless having the debate with them. We need to find the genuine voters who feel duped, and then have the discourse with them about whether or not they were actually misled. I can't imagine for a second they would convince me of their case anyway, but it's the absolute minimum starting point.
You defeat any argument by making such unfactual sweeping generalisations .

Cowell himself said he felt like an idiot when it was made known to him and the ITV boss Peter Fincham admitted that Britain's Got Talent should have made it clearer that champion O'Dwyer used a stunt double dog for her winning sketch.
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Old 06-06-2015, 18:03
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You defeat any argument by making such unfactual sweeping generalisations .

Cowell himself said he felt like an idiot when it was made known to him and the ITV boss Peter Fincham admitted that Britain's Got Talent should have made it clearer that champion O'Dwyer used a stunt double dog for her winning sketch.
For you to believe that you have to believe that the shows executive producer. The person who is in charge of and oversees everything about and to do with this show. Had no idea that Chase was used in the final.

And nobody with a brain in their head isn't that gullible surely?

When Jules came up with the idea and told the show runners and producers what she wanted to do for them to give it the all clear, He had no idea. When they were making the sets and going over the logistics and arranging what would go where. He had no idea.When they did the numerous rehearsals he had no idea. Did he walk around all week with head phones and a blind fold on? Or does he not bother overseeing the show he created that makes him millions every year?

Or he knew full well but is doing what Cowell does best. Playing the media like a fiddle so he and his cash cows come up smelling of roses.

I know which of those I believe.
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Old 06-06-2015, 20:07
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You defeat any argument by making such unfactual sweeping generalisations .

Cowell himself said he felt like an idiot when it was made known to him and the ITV boss Peter Fincham admitted that Britain's Got Talent should have made it clearer that champion O'Dwyer used a stunt double dog for her winning sketch.
Cowell is perfectly capable of (and accomplished at) lying, to make himself look better.
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Old 06-06-2015, 20:15
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For you to believe that you have to believe that the shows executive producer. The person who is in charge of and oversees everything about and to do with this show. Had no idea that Chase was used in the final.

And nobody with a brain in their head isn't that gullible surely?

When Jules came up with the idea and told the show runners and producers what she wanted to do for them to give it the all clear, He had no idea. When they were making the sets and going over the logistics and arranging what would go where. He had no idea.When they did the numerous rehearsals he had no idea. Did he walk around all week with head phones and a blind fold on? Or does he not bother overseeing the show he created that makes him millions every year?

Or he knew full well but is doing what Cowell does best. Playing the media like a fiddle so he and his cash cows come up smelling of roses.

I know which of those I believe.
I fully agree . I'm only saying what two of the top people at ITV have said in reply to the poster who thinks its only anti BGT posters .

Of course I don't believe Cowell . The guy is a control freak and would know every detail of what's going to happen on BGT .
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Old 07-06-2015, 03:41
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I also think it was deceptive the way that it was carried out.
She should have walked out after the act ended with all the dogs used. The dog used was more or less a replica of her dog. Probably not as deceptive as some of us would wish However her act was based on the fact that this one dog could do all these tricks one after the other so seamlessly despite this I still believe she deserves to win as she clearly can train dogs but they should have just called the act Jackie and friends (she probably would have still won) would and walked out with all the dogs.. or she should have stuck with things her dog whose name begins with M i cannot be bothered to research i cannot spell it could do.

It was Jackie who revealed this in a interview so i don't think she is complicit in this probably a producer decision.

May have bit of bearing on BGT trust people place in the future bet Cowell wishes someone else won now
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Old 07-06-2015, 13:08
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Just because Cowell is the main producer etc doesnt mean he know everything that happens,he has minions that do the work he just makes big decision sand such like.Knowing that a dog act was using a double doesnt come into his life lol.Be realistic.
He also stated on the show he stopped watching rehearsals.
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Old 07-06-2015, 13:16
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Simon micro manages everything he does, so I''d be *amazed* if he didn't know.

Apparently, in their critique of the act, no mention was made by any of the judges of the tightrope section. Can anyone confirm that? I didn't see it.

That, to me, is a big red flashing light that everyone knew and was complicit.

Anyway, my view remains: 99% the fault of the "producers" and 1% the act's fault for not standing up to the producers and insisting on Chase's moment in the spotlight at the end of the act.

But that's me done on the subject...till next year!
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Old 07-06-2015, 21:07
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Just because Cowell is the main producer etc doesnt mean he know everything that happens,he has minions that do the work he just makes big decision sand such like.Knowing that a dog act was using a double doesnt come into his life lol.Be realistic.
He also stated on the show he stopped watching rehearsals.
What's realistic is to be aware that Simon micromanaged everything.

This show makes the man millions every year. As do that acts that appear in it.

But you honestly believe he leaves things to his 'minions' to decide.

Well, okay.
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Old 07-06-2015, 21:43
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The reason given was that Matisse was afraid of heights. But Chase, the stunt double, didn't exactly look happy...
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Old 07-06-2015, 23:53
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You got to remember that Britain's Got Talent and ITV are not to blame for Jackie and her dog for getting more votes in the BGT final, its just one of those things apart from the tight rope stunt but i through the dog act was ok. but Jackie and her dog were boring winners and Jackie will be forgotten in a years time sadly .
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Old 08-06-2015, 00:35
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What's realistic is to be aware that Simon micromanaged everything.

This show makes the man millions every year. As do that acts that appear in it.

But you honestly believe he leaves things to his 'minions' to decide.

Well, okay.
Thats what they are paid for. Simon has gone on record saying he didnt know about the switch,so in absence of any evidence to the contrary that is what has to be believed.
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Old 08-06-2015, 00:39
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Thats what they are paid for. Simon has gone on record saying he didnt know about the switch,so in absence of any evidence to the contrary that is what has to be believed.
That's what has to be believed.....if you're shockingly gullible.
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Old 08-06-2015, 00:47
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That's what has to be believed.....if you're shockingly gullible.
Well its not like Simon has ever lied before! Ever!
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:59
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You got to remember that Britain's Got Talent and ITV are not to blame for Jackie and her dog for getting more votes in the BGT final, its just one of those things apart from the tight rope stunt but i through the dog act was ok. but Jackie and her dog were boring winners and Jackie will be forgotten in a years time sadly .
At least Jackie will be remembered for longer than Jules anyway.
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Old 08-06-2015, 10:07
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Bucky O'Hare would not approve
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Old 09-06-2015, 10:40
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Is this really the level we are dealing with here?

You seriously don't know about laws, broadcasting regulations and what Ofcom do?

The title is just a thing the programme generates; Ofcom has no say over that at all; the programme can elect her the Queen of Entertainment for all it's worth (not a lot)

If Ofcom find that people were misled by the show then it can heavily fine the show/broadcaster and force them to refund voters who voted for her.

That is what should happen and then of course that will leave the whole show in shambles - A winning act in which deception was use and after refunds, a winning act who may not have got the majority of votes. The whole thing will and is a shameful mess.

It would be also interesting if some of the other finalists launched complaints about not winning affecting there earnings. (Another legal outfall from the show deciding to deceive people.)
When absolutely nothing happens - nobody is investigated/fined, nobody is stripped of their title, the show isn't left in ruins, no other finalists or anybody at all commences any kind of legal proceedings - how will you rationalise this in your bizarre little reality? Will it be the result of the mighty Cowell empire riding roughshod over an inadequate British justice system unable to cope with such a behemoth, or will you maybe think that perhaps you just overreacted a teensy bit?
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