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Eastenders: How realistic is the adoption story?
Would they really give the baby to Jane and Ian while Cindy is living with them? Would they completely disregard Cindy's feeling, she's clearly struggling a lot?
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Would they really give the baby to Jane and Ian while Cindy is living with them? Would they completely disregard Cindy's feeling, she's clearly struggling a lot?
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I don't have any experience with it, but I imagine they'd do exactly what was mentioned and think about what's best for Beth. Cindy's feelings are mostly Psychological and partly to do with Ian's and Jane's laziness in taking her into consideration. They're giving her everything she says she wants, but not giving her what she needs. Some kind of counselling for Cindy and family counselling for the three of them would help the situation.
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There is zero percent chance that a social worker in the real world wouldn't have spoken to Cindy alone, and they most certainly wouldn't threaten her and ignore her in the middle of a breakdown where it was pretty clear she was unhappy.
It's a pretty disgusting depiction of social workers, tbh. |
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Would they really give the baby to Jane and Ian while Cindy is living with them? Would they completely disregard Cindy's feeling, she's clearly struggling a lot?
It's not even as though it will just be for a couple of years until she leaves home, it will be for the rest of their lives, she'll see Beth at Christmas, family celebrations etc. |
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She wasn't adopted she was Fostered
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I don't think Ian and Jane are going to get Beth. Because of the portrayal of the Social worker so far has not had real life social workers up in arms. So I think they have been kept in the loop of the story arc and are letting it play out.
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She wasn't adopted she was Fostered
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With Ian's history of mental health difficulties and the abandoment of his family during a period of time, they wouldn't give Beth over so lightly. Did Ian receive medical care after his breakdown? If he did then the social worker would be aware, however if he didn't then they could probably get away with it. I don't know how Lucy would fit into it and Jane/Ian's history. They would delve deep into their histories which would flag up a LOT of discrepencies. I don't think alot of research has gone into the story.
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I would certainly hope not. I'm finding the way Cindy's feelings are being totally ignored quite troubling - she is barely more than a child herself with nowhere else to go and she is being forced to live with the baby?
It's not even as though it will just be for a couple of years until she leaves home, it will be for the rest of their lives, she'll see Beth at Christmas, family celebrations etc. |
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With Ian's history of mental health difficulties and the abandoment of his family during a period of time, they wouldn't give Beth over so lightly. Did Ian receive medical care after his breakdown? If he did then the social worker would be aware, however if he didn't then they could probably get away with it. I don't know how Lucy would fit into it and Jane/Ian's history. They would delve deep into their histories which would flag up a LOT of discrepencies. I don't think alot of research has gone into the story.
Also wouldn't that look at how long they have been together as a couple, mere months this time...not exactly a stable relationship. |
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Yes. Masood and Zainab persuaded him to go to his doctor and I'm pretty sure he said he was on medication. Either way it would be in his notes.
Also wouldn't that look at how long they have been together as a couple, mere months this time...not exactly a stable relationship. Exactly, the relationship wouldn't be seen as a long term committed relationship and it would be noted that Jane moved away leaving Bobby, her adoptive son. I was shocked at how they wrote the social workers reaction to Cindy's outburst actually. That was not dealt with realistically at all. Cindy is a young adult who is cleary distressed 're Beth yet what she was saying was dismissed. |
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I disagree. She does have somewhere else to go. You have to remember that Ian, Jane and Bobby are of no relation to her. Ian is her mothers ex husband who she tried to murder and divorced before she was born. She should be living with her mother or fathers family. I think Ian has been very kind to let her stay in the first place and I'm not an Ian fan!
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I disagree. She does have somewhere else to go. You have to remember that Ian, Jane and Bobby are of no relation to her. Ian is her mothers ex husband who she tried to murder and divorced before she was born. She should be living with her mother or fathers family. I think Ian has been very kind to let her stay in the first place and I'm not an Ian fan!
Ian and Jane might not be biologically related to her but unless she's going to move abroad they are all she's got. If she doesn't belong with them then nor does Beth. |
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I'm not sure that Ian's history of mental illness would be too big an obstacle. Yes, they'd look at it but if medical professionals deem him to now be fit then it might not go against him - it is possible to be ill and then recover. We know he's seen a Doctor since then because he was prescribed either sleeping tablets or anti depressants (can't remember which) after Lucy died. In fact I'm not sure being on medication would stop it either as the point of them is that they are making somebody better.
Jane and him only recently being remarried would be a bigger thing I think. Also that she didn't return to look after Bobby when Ian went missing, she was in her right mind after all. |
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Having had a mental illness wouldn't go against him per se but you would think it would be alluded to on screen and that it would be mentioned during one of the visits. There is many things that happen off screen but I think that this should be included on screen, mainly because his break down did cause him to abandon his family and that is something to be taken seriously.
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It's EE. So it's better than any other soap in existence.
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There is zero percent chance that a social worker in the real world wouldn't have spoken to Cindy alone, and they most certainly wouldn't threaten her and ignore her in the middle of a breakdown where it was pretty clear she was unhappy.
It's a pretty disgusting depiction of social workers, tbh. In the real world yes Cindy would be listened to if for no other reason than no adoption can happen without her say so but I didn't like the way the social worker was talking about Cindy almost being a danger to the child (utter rot!) and it made me wonder if they're going to attempt make Beth a ward of the court where a judge would make the final decision? Quote:
With Ian's history of mental health difficulties and the abandoment of his family during a period of time, they wouldn't give Beth over so lightly. Did Ian receive medical care after his breakdown? If he did then the social worker would be aware, however if he didn't then they could probably get away with it. I don't know how Lucy would fit into it and Jane/Ian's history. They would delve deep into their histories which would flag up a LOT of discrepencies. I don't think alot of research has gone into the story.
I doubt very much that Ian and Jane would get Beth in the real world without Cindy's approval (or they'd more likely start as foster parents leading to adoption). But like I say I'm a bit concerned now (or would be if it was real lol!) that they're going to try and portray Cindy as unstable now and take it out of her hands. Quote:
I disagree. She does have somewhere else to go. You have to remember that Ian, Jane and Bobby are of no relation to her. Ian is her mothers ex husband who she tried to murder and divorced before she was born. She should be living with her mother or fathers family. I think Ian has been very kind to let her stay in the first place and I'm not an Ian fan!
But yes that social worker did my head in again when she mentioned Ian and Jane being Beth's 'family' - they don't share a drop of blood! Cindy is Ian's ward, she's his children's (Bobby aside) relative but not actually his or Jane's! I don't mean any disrespect to adoptive families or reconstituted step-families etc saying that, just that the social worker was talking as if Jane or Ian were a biological relative to Cindy and perhaps had a legitimate claim (emotionally if not lawfully) to Beth! |
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Not that I have any experience in this sort of thing, but they would have to look into the Beale's history - which is bleak at best.
Ian has a history of mental health issues and recently lost a daughter in the most tragic way possible. Ian's son, Steven, has mental health issues too insofar as he stabbed his step-mother, Jane. I know he's not there at the moment, but potentially, he could return at any moment and could be a risk to a baby in the house - in the eyes of the Social Services. Ian's half-brother, Ben, is a convicted murderer and lives just a few doors away. One look as to who Ben's father is would scare the Social Services stiff. Ian's daughter, Lucy, was murdered a year ago. Granted, this is a tragedy and can't be taken into account as the family's fault (unless you know what actually happened!) but Jane and Ian would be grieving her loss and, again in the eyes of the Social Services, Beth might be seen as a replacement to them? Unhealthy for the child? |
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Having had a mental illness wouldn't go against him per se but you would think it would be alluded to on screen and that it would be mentioned during one of the visits. There is many things that happen off screen but I think that this should be included on screen, mainly because his break down did cause him to abandon his family and that is something to be taken seriously.
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Not that I have any experience in this sort of thing, but they would have to look into the Beale's history - which is bleak at best.
Ian has a history of mental health issues and recently lost a daughter in the most tragic way possible. Ian's son, Steven, has mental health issues too insofar as he stabbed his step-mother, Jane. I know he's not there at the moment, but potentially, he could return at any moment and could be a risk to a baby in the house - in the eyes of the Social Services. Ian's half-brother, Ben, is a convicted murderer and lives just a few doors away. One look as to who Ben's father is would scare the Social Services stiff. Ian's daughter, Lucy, was murdered a year ago. Granted, this is a tragedy and can't be taken into account as the family's fault (unless you know what actually happened!) but Jane and Ian would be grieving her loss and, again in the eyes of the Social Services, Beth might be seen as a replacement to them? Unhealthy for the child? Phil was deemed suitable to look after Lexi so apparently (amazingly) Social Services have deemed him fit. You'd think Ben would send out alarm bells though. Also, yes, Lucy having died so recently should be an issue. As I understand it, they advise people that have suffered miscarriage to wait before applying to be adoptive parents precisely because the child should be wanted for themselves, not as any kind of replacement. It's not healthy for anybody involved. There is also Bobby having run away last year, Lucy having been taking drugs before she died and all the other things mentioned by others. |
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There is zero percent chance that a social worker in the real world wouldn't have spoken to Cindy alone, and they most certainly wouldn't threaten her and ignore her in the middle of a breakdown where it was pretty clear she was unhappy.
It's a pretty disgusting depiction of social workers, tbh. |
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The social worker is as said there at Cindy,s instigation because she wants Beth adopted out. If the social worker thinks that Cindy may be a danger to Beth then she should remove Beth from the household because she can't remove Cindy. Would Ian and Jane then throw Cindy out to get Beth? In a heartbeat. then they would have a stroppy teenager on their hands.
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The social worker is as said there at Cindy,s instigation because she wants Beth adopted out. If the social worker thinks that Cindy may be a danger to Beth then she should remove Beth from the household because she can't remove Cindy. Would Ian and Jane then throw Cindy out to get Beth? In a heartbeat. then they would have a stroppy teenager on their hands.
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Re my post above - shows what I know
![]() ![]() Haven't seen tonight's episode yet but I hear Ian turfs Cindy out? Brave man! A big part of me wishes she'd go straight round to the police station! (but like I say I haven't seen it yet so don't know the context). |
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