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Eastenders 5th June Thread: "You Can't Just End It"
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NoughtiesMusic
05-06-2015
Reckon Carol will take in Cindy for the time being? If not, who else?

The Masoods kept Alfie, Stacey and the boys in their house. The Foxes/Truemans get new tenants all the time despite not running a B&B anymore.
LHolmes
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by andallthatjazz:
“Obviously missed it but can someone tell me how Sharon got the address, who gave it to her?”

Phil.
Styker
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Come on Guys lets guess who is Sharons Dad Im going for Tom Cruise”

Well he was in EE for a while as Keith Miller so maybe that can bring about Joe Swash's return as well?!
dan2008
05-06-2015
EastEnders I LOVE you

Best week since the LIVE week I reckon. I have enjoyed every single scene this week.

Phil showing tonight he has a heart and he did have a valid reason for lying to Sharon and making out that Gordon was her father.

Ben can't keep away from the Grindr. I wish I had as many sexy men on my feed

I love the scenes with Paul and Pam.

Les is brilliant. You can tell he loves Pam but of course he likes that bit on the side

I feel sorry for Ian and Jane. They looked after Cindy. Put a roof over her head and they way they have treated her has been appalling. Sure Cindy is Beth's Mother but lets face it she didn't want to know.

Nice to see Terry once again

Roll on Monday! 8.5/10
dan2008
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by NoughtiesMusic:
“Reckon Carol will take in Cindy for the time being? If not, who else?

The Masoods kept Alfie, Stacey and the boys in their house. The Foxes/Truemans get new tenants all the time despite not running a B&B anymore.”

Sharon possibly?
I do think Carol will offer at least.
LHolmes
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“She is also a nasty B*tch she has caused Ian loads of problems since she arrived.”

She hasn't done anything that bad, just behaved like a typical teenager imo.

Originally Posted by Styker:
“I don't have sympathy for her. I really do think she is being very selfish because she wants to live it up in general and can't handle the guilt of not looking after her own daughter even though Jane wants to bring her up so much. That is just uber selfishness imo especially that she doesn't give a monekys or is not thinking about the baby much at all! b @ Cindy!”

If you call being a teenager "living it up".

Ian and Jane may want and love Beth but their parenting skills leave a lot to be desired and she is better off away from them. She is even better off living with Bianca as none of her brood have killed anyone.

Tbh Cindy's reasons for giving Beth up are irrelevant to the argument. The fact is she wants to and doesn't want Ian and Jane to adopt her - not unreasonable in the circumstances.

Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“I think Sharon and Phil will be end game and will stay together now.

Does it mean that Phil doesn't know who Sharon's dad is?”

I still think he knows and this was another game.

Originally Posted by Morgsie:
“Why is Pam in tears? Have I missed this

Does she suspect about Les cheating on her”

She thought the recent tension between Paul and Les was because Paul still blames her for helping Laurie (his dad) to die.

Originally Posted by little-monster:
“She deserves none

It's all been her own doing. She made the mistake of having underage sex, therefore she deserves to put with the consequences.”

That's a bit harsh. She is entitled to give her own baby up for adoption, having failed to adjust to motherhood.

Ian and Jane don't have a divine right to Beth and are bullying Cindy. She is not being unreasonable in preferring for Beth to be adopted outside of the family.
NoughtiesMusic
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by Styker:
“Well he was in EE for a while as Keith Miller so maybe that can bring about Joe Swash's return as well?! ”

I'd put my money on Burt Atkins...Jay's Yorkshire grandad.
Stuart25
05-06-2015
Is Cindy leaving?
dan2008
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by chels171:
“Love them or hate them EE is so much better when the Beales are centre stage.... Even in a not great storyline!”

Beales and Mitchells
Sez_babe
05-06-2015
It was great to see Terry
LHolmes
05-06-2015
Surely keeping Cindy close is better for the Beales?

I thought their main objective was to protect Bobby. This obsession they have with Beth and using her to atone for their earlier parenting mistakes is just creepy.

They're being totally irrational. Beth isn't their baby. At least if she is with the Butchers, they can maintain contact. The fact is Cindy wanted to give her up and didn't want that to entail her being in the next bedroom. Totally her right to decide that imo. The Bianca/Terry solution, suggested by Jane herself, is at least better than the official adoption route where they would never be able to follow her development.

Originally Posted by Styker:
“If she was that scared/worried about Bobby then she wouldn't want to stay there herself.”

I think she's more scared of what Ian and Jane's parenting will produce this time with Beth.
asyousay
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“So should Ian and jane perhaps ? Shielding a murderer and bullying a 16 year old is vile.”

They love Bobby and are doing what they think is right . Cindy on the other hand is no relation to Ian and has just black mailed them and when she thought she had won suddenly thought everything was back to normal . Ian was to harsh but she had to be told that behaviour was wrong and she wasn't going to to get her wish by remaining there .

She is twisted and should go and seek help .
wilpeep
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by Styker:
“When did she ever state that as the reason? If she was that scared/worried about Bobby then she wouldn't want to stay there herself. I've got no doubt that she just wants to live it up in general and that includes putting it about, getting drunk etc etc.”

When did she ever state that as the reason?


Originally Posted by Styker:
“ She can't handle that she wants to do that over looking after her baby and won't let Jane bring her up either. ”

And why do you think that is? Could it be the fact that Jane let her son get away with murder in their own home?

It doesn't need to be explicitly stated that Cindy gave Beth away because of Bobby. It's obvious by the fact she used Bobby's murder as a threat against Ian and Jane. Why else would she be SO passionate about giving Beth away? Why does she want the baby as far away from Ian and Jane as possible? It's clear as day.
NoughtiesMusic
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by Sez_babe:
“It was great to see Terry ”

Yeah, that was a really nice surprise. I always liked Terry.
Vatican
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by NoughtiesMusic:
“Reckon Carol will take in Cindy for the time being? If not, who else?

The Masoods kept Alfie, Stacey and the boys in their house. The Foxes/Truemans get new tenants all the time despite not running a B&B anymore.”

I've checked the cast lists for the next week of episodes and Cindy isn't in any of them I think she'll disappear for a while, then make a shock return when Ian and Jane recover from Beth's loss to cause more havoc
Dan-Bevis
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by wilpeep:
“And why do you think that is? Could it be the fact that Jane let her son get away with murder in their own home?

It doesn't need to be explicitly stated that Cindy gave Beth away because of Bobby. It's obvious by the fact she used Bobby's murder as a threat against Ian and Jane. Why else would she be SO passionate about giving Beth away? Why does she want the baby as far away from Ian and Jane as possible? It's clear as day.”

This.

The people defending Ian and Jane in all this unnerve me a bit!
NoughtiesMusic
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by Vatican:
“I've checked the cast lists for the next week of episodes and Cindy isn't in any of them I think she'll disappear for a while, then make a shock return when Ian and Jane recover from Beth's loss to cause more havoc ”

Hmmmm maybe she'll go off screen like Cora for a while, only to return and reveal all. That's kind of what they're doing with the Aunt Babe storyline. Not sure when Cora is back but I think that will happen.
asyousay
05-06-2015
Cindy is not protecting Beth , she just doesn't want the baby and the baby staying around is a constant reminder that it's hers baby .


She has no other motive and it's laughable people think it's because she is protecting Beth .
West End Boy
05-06-2015
A good episode to end a very good, enjoyable week.

Nice scenes with Pam and Paul. I really like how they are writing for Sharon now. It was good to see a vulnerable side to Phil. 8/10
Maria95
05-06-2015
Originally Posted by Soapfan678:
“No sympathy for Cindy from me. At the end of the day, she could have went to her grans to stay and let Ian and Jane keep Beth, but she was too selfish to put her baby first.”

Indirectly or directly she is doing the right thing for Beth since if she stayed with Ian and Jane she'll probably end up dead or damaged like Peter, Lucy or Bobby. Ian and Jane don't deserve to have another child since they screwed up the ones they already had. Also Cindy is just a young girl and might even have PND whereas what's Ian and Jane's excuse for being vile?
demented yoyo
06-06-2015
Originally Posted by Styker:
“So the baby's gone with Terry? They should have sent Cindy to Milton Keynes instead!”

They should've given her a one way ticket to Devon months ago!
Originally Posted by Morgsie:
“OMG Ian chucking Cindy Jr out”

About time too.
Originally Posted by Soapfan678:
“No sympathy for Cindy from me. At the end of the day, she could have went to her grans to stay and let Ian and Jane keep Beth, but she was too selfish to put her baby first.”

Me neither, she's nothing but a spoilt brat.
Originally Posted by IJoinedInMay:
“Or she could stay at Liam's.”

There's a spoiler somewhere saying something along the lines of
Spoiler
'Liam is seen taking a lot of food from the kitchen'. So I'm thinking he's probably helping her hide somewhere and the food is for her.

Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“Cindy is a child , her aunt refused her . Poor little kid she is lost and alone
Ian was vile tonight , he is an adult , Cindy is a vulnerable kid”

She's 16, not 6. It's about time she grew up a little.
Originally Posted by wilpeep:
“You're missing the point. She IS putting her baby first by giving it away. She doesn't want it to be in the same house as her murderous brother. That's the whole point of this storyline.”

She's putting herself first. She doesn't want to babysit. She doesn't want to change any more nappies. She doesn't want to hear Beth cry. She wants her own room. It's all about her!

Tbh, I'm still confused about her wanting her own room. Who was she having to share with? There's only Ian, Jane, Cindy, Beth & Bobby in the house now Lucy & Peter aren't there
Originally Posted by lollipop1995:
“Wonder where Cindy will go now? I'm still wondering if she has post natal depression..”

I've seen that mentioned a lot on here this week, even after last night I still don't see it
Styker
06-06-2015
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“She hasn't done anything that bad, just behaved like a typical teenager imo.

If you call being a teenager "living it up".


Ian and Jane may want and love Beth but their parenting skills leave a lot to be desired and she is better off away from them. She is even better off living with Bianca as none of her brood have killed anyone.

Tbh Cindy's reasons for giving Beth up are irrelevant to the argument. The fact is she wants to and doesn't want Ian and Jane to adopt her - not unreasonable in the circumstances.

I still think he knows and this was another game.

She thought the recent tension between Paul and Les was because Paul still blames her for helping Laurie (his dad) to die.

That's a bit harsh. She is entitled to give her own baby up for adoption, having failed to adjust to motherhood.

Ian and Jane don't have a divine right to Beth and are bullying Cindy. She is not being unreasonable in preferring for Beth to be adopted outside of the family.”

RE BIB, you don't think teenagers live it up? Ever? As for the rest of what you wrote, don't agree with you at all.

Originally Posted by wilpeep:
“When did she ever state that as the reason?




And why do you think that is? Could it be the fact that Jane let her son get away with murder in their own home?

It doesn't need to be explicitly stated that Cindy gave Beth away because of Bobby. It's obvious by the fact she used Bobby's murder as a threat against Ian and Jane. Why else would she be SO passionate about giving Beth away? Why does she want the baby as far away from Ian and Jane as possible? It's clear as day.”

I noticed you didn't answer my point/question and you have used my exact same question to you to ask back at me instead! Well the flaw in your thinking that Cindy's reasons for being so selfish is that she's actually trying to protect Beth, is that she agreed that they never tell anyone about what Ben did and specifically said to Peter "because you're not a mother" when she was backing up Ian and Jane in wanting to cover it up and Peter didn't.

If that was her reason, she'd go and take Beth and live elsewhere too and could have gone to Milton Keynes or to the Jackson's with Beth. Also if she was that worried about Bobby, she wouldn't want to stay at the Beales herself. I think that is more than enough of a rebuttal to show that she is just being uber selfish and EE shouldn't of gone down this story as it completely contradicts her part in the revelation of what happened to Lucy.
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