21 years is a substantial age gap in terms of world experience.

She's still an adult.

So no one over the age of 20,21 or 25, or whatever age she is this week and female is allowed to argue with her, or god forbid, not like her?

She's still an adult who could be working and married and with children. Would she then be crying that she's a young girl and other people or colleagues shouldn't take her to task over things.

He at least seems capable of accepting some blame. Thus he was able to admit he went overboard in the way he expressed himself towards her in the bedroom tonight.

She on the other hand seems unable to acknowledge that she went overboard the night before in some of the hurtful things she said to him (eg. calling him a 'flop' and a 'failure').

THIS ^^^^

She Is a young woman with a grown man in his late forties saying he hates her.

Totally inappropriate and uncalled for.

Do you go around bitching loudly about young women and then saying to their face that you hate them in a spiteful juvenile manner aimed to make them feel bad.


Also man and women are different in various scenarios such as this one.

Maybe when she said those words she meant why would an old guy be doing that, hasn't he grown up yet? It is a bit school yard.

He said in the diary room that she was boring and least deserved to win. I don't think she went overboard with him. His reactions and two facedness are what is causing his problems.

They are both adults tho, that's all im saying...yes they are behaving like children, but he has as much right to say the things he does to her as she does in calling him (a 46 year old who has done more than she has) a flop.

Telling people you hate them is very hurtful and totally disportionate. I am not surprised Chloe cried.

She is a grown woman, she wont be growing anymore than she already has done.

He gets accused of being two faced if he dares say anything about her in the DR so I guess he felt he had to tell her to her face what he was telling Danny, seeing as she asked him.

She shouldn't be crying like a child looking for sympathy and the gang to surround her in order to take it in turns to shout at Simon...it was pathetic of her.

An adult can cover the age from very young 17 to very elderly at 100. Being an adult is not one continuous age. It is a discontinuous range of different ages characterised in different way by differents stages.

What a about the "young girl" comment by her, is that really needed?

She tried to make him out to be a bully and her the weak little girl who cant fight for herself...both of which is untrue.

I agree with that I am not a fan of either of them, just saying I don't think she pulled any cards.
At her age I was having my first baby and would have made Simon look like one if he tried to take me on.

What

Their age and gender is irrelevant. However, if you think it is relevant then presumably you were perfectly happy with Eileen being nominated for her age and females being evicted so much more than men I'm assuming not.

So it's always an unfair argument if someone in their 40s argues with someone in their 20s? then if you add gender into the mix then we really are going down a very silly road.

The fact remains they are both adult people who are equals who have just as much right as eachother to tell the other what they think of eachother...she was wrong to play the "young girl" card.

Simon isn't acting his age he seems to have retarded emotional states.

I cant believe im even defending Simon, I don't like either of them too.

He was asked a question by Big Brother to which he gave his honest opinion. He seems to believe that BB should be won by someone who does a lot to entertain the public and Chloe in his opinion was the one least fitting of that description.

As you say he said it in the privacy of the DR and as such he wasn't trying to hurt Chloe's feelings.

She on the other hand was trying to be hurtful in the things she said to him. She should have been perfectly capable of addressing what he had said without getting so vindictive or trying to be so hurtful. As such she did overreact and go overboard by being so nasty. It was totally unnecessary and anyway, since when did two wrongs make a right.

It is not about the argument itself. It is his behaviour, body language and language aimed at a young woman.

I might argue with a 25 year old woman but I wouldn't say I hate them and bitch about them. Also Chloe is more vulnerable than other 25 yr old girls. I have met intimidating, rough young women that swear, spit and threaten but I Don't see Chloe as threatening or tough and resilient in that way.

Body language, a camp gay man laying on a bed, hardly aggressive is it

Chloe is quite threatening when she's throwing glasses of wine at people, like she did to Marc, she certainly took care of herself in that situation.

I think her problem was that he was being false with her and the diary room conversation revealed that.

She overreacted and was stirred up by the others but he also overreacted then went on and on about it the next day after Chloe had put it behind them

I would be upset If someone told me that someone else said X about me it is just natural.
What I am discussing here is him saying he hated her today because she called him a flop in the heat of the moment and he wanted to drag the issue out and blame her for his unpopularity in the house.

I don't think she did anything wrong today..

If you really can't see any differences between genders and age groups I would be concerned about you.

Just because I see differences between genders and age groups doesn't mean they are crude stereotypes. Why would someone need a sex change if men and women were identical. I tailor my behaviour towards the individual I am talking with.

I am tall and if a short person (usually an old lady) wants me to get something from a top shelf in a supermarket I am happy to help. Are you suggesting i tell them to eff off because we are all equal.

So you don't think camp or gay men can be intimidating/aggressive?

He is hardly Julian Clary.

Intimidation can come from all sorts of sources from the tone and content of words, to body size and facial expression.

As BB likes to show a lot of what is said in the diary room, and some of the housemates have already seen what caused this upset although they (particularly jack & Joel who I used to like until this) chose to misrepresent what was said and the context of it. I just wish BB would replay it to the whole house so that the all the others can see how actually Mark said more than Simon and how the 4 exaggerated and stirred things up.
I don't like Simon but all this nonsense about him being 2 faced & talking behind people's backs...they are all doing that to each other.